Playlist Generator (4.1.0.209) and Music Library (4.4.0.362) Incompatibility

Dmitry,

We are a community radio station in Australia and we are about to start broadcasting 24 hours a day, 7 days a week commencing on April 16, 2011.  We are in the last stages of program content selection and scheduling.  We have been putting together playlists and scheduling them for various timeslots during the day and week.  With practice this is an easy thing to do with RadioBOSS.

Congratulations on producing such a useful piece of software !

However, there are two things we have discovered that are holding us back:

1. Step 1 of the Playlist Generator requires a Base Music Library to be inserted for the music which will be included in the playlist being generated.  All other sections of the Playlist generator (Step 3, Step 4, Step 5 and Step 6) rely upon playlists to be added which give much greater flexibility in program generation.  So in Step 1 can an option be included to allow reference to a playlist as well ?  Reason being, a much greater control of the music type and track selection can be had by refering to a playlist instead of the whole Music Library.

2. The Music Library allows filtering of music types and the filtered results can be exported to the player or saved as a playlist.  We have tried without success to save a filtered selection to another base file.  For example, we have tagged Country Music files as Country in the genre field, filtered for Genre = Country, counted 233 files on the screen of the Music Library, and used the > File > Save As  command to save that selection as 'Base-Country' and found that the contents of that XML file was the full music library of all 26,930 music tracks.  Naturally because Step 1 of the Playlist Generator requires a base file we have tried to narrow the selection down to 'Country' only by using the method described above.

What are we doing wrong in item 2 above ?


Thanks in advance ...  Jamie C.
 
Hello,

1) This will be added soon. You may also consider using the new Playlist Generator Pro which has way more features. Also it can use any source of tracks: playlist, music base, folder and (soon) a single track.

2) By design, the library search/filter feature is only to help edit music library (like, you search for tracks you want to delete)... Filtering is supposed to be done by playlist generator. You can still save search result by clicking Tools->Save as playlist.
I think in the future this will be changed... Maybe we'll remove completely "music library files" and program will work only with playlists. So users won't need to mess with multiple formats with almost the same meaning (storing track list). I don't know for now how it'll be in result.
 
Dmityry,

Thanks for the answers.

1)  That's good news, both the standard Playlist Generator and the Pro versions are useful - one being very easy to work and the other very powerful with it's results.  However, the standard Playlist Generator is all we have at present so that is what we are using.

2) The Music Library is brilliant as a search tool and VERY quick.  Keep it because it makes finding music tracks very easy and fast.  And with the filter fields it is also extremely powerful.  As you mentioned the filtered results can be exported to a playlist.


For small radio stations with low staff levels a well maintained music library with MP3 tags up to date can be a very powerful resource.  Spend the time now on getting the tags complete and get the rewards for ever more.  Having a complete set of tags for Artist, Title, Album, Year, Genre, and Comment makes it easy to assemble good program material automatically.

Since seeing a previous post from you about the 'generate' command, we have set up a playlist of Australian songs lasting 70 minutes and generated them every hour on the hour for the past day.  We will leave this running continuously for the next week to test this concept.  The other BIG advantage of this is the ability to generate a regular daily (or weekly) program by adding a SINGLE entry on the scheduler.  This saves a LOT of time and reduces the clutter.

Using RadioBOSS is a steep learning curve but it is great fun when it all starts to come together.


While the instruction manual is detailed on what the buttons do, you might ask your users to put together some 'fact sheets' or 'application notes' on specific setups they have created for their stations.  Tools like this would make the benefits of RadioBOSS obvious to new users and potential customers.  The power of RadioBOSS is not evident by reading the instruction manual alone.

Application Notes like:

1. A singe entry schedule to create a daily Midnight to Dawn Jazz Program

a) Allows a single scheduled event for Midnight to 6am - forever
b) Uses music tracks tagged with Genre = Jazz
c) Option for random, do not repeat tracks, do not repeat artists
d) Option for alternative Genre tracks to be inserted
e) Option for station jingles to be inserted
f) Option for new hour sweeper to be inserted
g) Option for commercials to be inserted

Then a set of screenshots with the functions of the tick box options explained.


I am sure there are a lot of talented people out there willing to share their methods and processes and that would be good for the greater audience.


Thanks, Jamie C.
 
I'm not saying the Music Library will be removed, of course not... Just make the library files and playlists interchangeable. For example, make it possible to schedule a library file to play like a playlist, or open it in RadioBOSS's playlist. M3U playlist support should be for compatibility with other programs, while ".xml" (library files) will be RadioBOSS's own playlist format. Advantage of XML is that it has many additional fields (intro/outro, all tags etc).

About User Manual, you're right. It should have more info on how to do specific things, not only describe what buttons do. Most of the tasks are complex, like generating a playlist by schedule and interface descriptions won't help much there :) That's what this forum for...
Writing a very good user manual is an expensive task. It also requires frequent updates because RadioBOSS's UI changes in every new version. When all global UI modifications will be done (should be in 4.5.x versions) maybe we'll start writing a good user guide.
 
Dmitry,

Sounds good, it would be fairly simple to put the Application Notes up on the website in a different forum section and modify as required.

Keep up the good work ...

Jamie C.
 
It's something we already started to do - several "How to..." topics in the Support section. But there should be more, of course.
 
Dmitry,

To find the 'How to' topics a visitor would have to scroll through hundreds of listings in the Support Section and read every one of them before they found the first one.

If such postings had a standard heading it might be easier:

HOW TO: Make a 3 hour Playlist manually with station Jingles and Advertisements

HOW TO: Generate a 3 hour Playlist on the fly using the Playlist Generator script


Jamie C.
 
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