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Title: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 09:33:09 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8 beta

What's New:

License key:
To request free beta tester license key, please send an e-mail to sales@djsoft.net (use "RadioBOSS 4.8 beta" subject).
The free key expires March 30, 2013.
If you're a registered user, please use the key you have.

Beta testing is over, no more keys for RadioBOSS 4.8 beta are issued.

Download
RadioBOSS 4.8 beta: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.10_beta.exe (12/19/2012, 19Mb)

Please post any bugs or requests in this topic. Anyone who contributed would get a significant discount - starting from 30% and up to 100% when the final version is released. Please contact sales@djsoft.net regarding the discount.



Utility to detect DTMF in files: http://dl.djsoft.net/DTMFChecker.zip
How to use: press a button and select a file (mp3, wav, ogg), program will start its playback and show found DTMF's and postitions in the log.



Playlist Generator Pro command-line parameters

Usage: PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe -preset=PRESET -out=PLAYLIST

Options:
-preset= specifies preset name
-out= specifies file name where generated playlist will be saved (should be full path with .m3u8 extension)

Example:
PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe -preset=MyPreset -out=C:\playlist.m3u8



Text To Speech feature can be used to say any text. While it's not for professional radio stations, there are many situations when it can be useful, eg parties, fun radio stations, etc :) It can also say current time and day.

Syntax: TTS=+N;text
+N (or -N) is talk speed, can be from -9 to +9. Zero must have a sign too (either + or -).
text - a text you want program to speak. Can contain XML tags as described here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717077(v=vs.85).aspx and hour/minute/day macro:
%h - hour
%m - minute
%s - second
%D - day
%M - month
%dw - week day

Example:
TTS=+1;<EMPH>it's %dw %Dth of %M the time is %h hours and %m minutes thank you for listening our cool radio</EMPH>
(this command can be inserted to the scheduler event's Filename field).



Time files naming for automatic time announcement
* hour files should have "h" in their name and number (2 digits) - hr_05.mp3 is a file for "it's 5" (you can also name it h05.mp3 - it will work too). Hour files which have "o" in name are used for exact hour: hr_05o.mp3 should say "it's 5 o'clock", minutes are not said in this case.
* minute files should have "m" in their name and number (2 digits) - m_56.mp3 for "56".
* files should be in the folder itself, no subfolders
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 23, 2012, 10:28:14 AM
Hello, first congratulations for the new version.  :)
the two windows are very useful on widescreen monitors.

I sent an email bug.

I have a doubt, the new function of multiple databases is very useful me, but I have a problem:
I have lists armed. m3u and would make them. xml to use in the search.
Music Library not support import from. M3u. I fix this?. there any programs on the market that do this conversion?. thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 10:39:49 AM
Thanks for the bug report.

Regarding m3u import, I think it will be added in the music library.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on November 23, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Hi,

   Just tried the DTMF signal as a triger but could not get it working. I tried on my test machine hat is a physical PC.
Tried to play it through the microphone first then using a file generated by Audacity directly. But it did not start the task.

Anyway what I want to achive is to trigger an event that will send different audio to different encoders. ie to have a regular program but during the ad break I want to send different audio content to the various encoders. How can I achive that?
From my understanding so far this is not really possible, is it ?
Maybe I need to do that:

1 - Running in a Windows session the "main" stream including audio tracks containing DTMF signals.

2 - Running as many RB in separate Windows sessions. Each RB has a single encoder. Each RB are receiving the main audio stream and when they ear (detect) a DTMF signal in the main stream it triggers an event that plays the Ad Break dedicated to that encoder.

This seems a bit complicated but can be setup.

The main issue here is that I need RB to "listen" to the audio stream it is receiving. How to do that ? Just to remind you there is no sound card on the virtual machine running RB.
Other question would RB be able to detect DTMF within the audio content ?

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 10:59:31 AM
Please send a sample you've used to support@djsoft.net, we'll check it.

Regarding your setup, it looks fine to me. Detecting DTMF in the conteng (eg a stream) is nt yet possible, but there were other requests to add it, so I think it will be added.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 23, 2012, 11:18:47 AM
It's a great improvement Multiple Music Library.

I do not know about DTMF. What for is it? Thanks!

Hope to help you to find a lot of bugs.

Thanks again for Multiple Music Library
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 23, 2012, 11:23:02 AM
When i set PTT don't can the mic-button push. Without PTT is ok.

Greetz

Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on November 23, 2012, 11:38:21 AM
I finally make it working on my PC.
I am using a virtual sound card (Virtual Audio Cable software) to simulate a virtual machine without soundcard. I could trigger the event from playing DTMF from within Audacity.
I also mixed the DTMF signal with a musical background and RB can detect it if the music is not too loud.
I thing I can mix the DTMF over a "sweep" at the end of a jingle to trigger advertissement. DTMF does sound a bit strange when listening to the radio so I need to figure out a way of "hiding" it somewhere at the end of a jingle.
I think I can make it on a virtual machine running one RB as a master and several RB as "slave", I will try that tomorrow.

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: charbel on November 23, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
congratulation Dimitry for new version i havent forget u of updating language but was very very busy in real life :( i will soon updated .i havent tried yet 4.8beta .I have a request can u make a case in upper for repeat random manuel etc for playlist useful thanks and remove repeat this big button from downpage of radioboss

greetings
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on November 23, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
Congratulation and thank you for this new and great version.
DTMF detection works fine. I can triger an event from within a track that is being played in RB. So I think I have all the ingredients to setup a master/slave configuration.
Just for info here is the file I am using to trigger the event : http://podcast.clubbingstation.com/podcast/RB_DTMF_final.mp3
The DTMF used is 12345. I will try with a two digit only so it will be less audible.

That would just be great to add an option to enable detection from within RB directly and not Line-In so I would not have to setup Virtual Audio Cable as the Ouput Device from one end and as Line-in at the other end.

There will only be a master RB playing generic program and on schedule a jingle that includes a DTMF code to trigger ad breaks.
I will have to run as many slave RB as required. Each of them will stream the audio received by the master and when the DTMF code is played it will trigger an event on each slave RB to play local Ad file or Ad playlist  and to switch back to main audio stream from the master.

Christian
http://clubbingstation.com
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
I also mixed the DTMF signal with a musical background and RB can detect it if the music is not too loud.
Yes, DTMF should be louder than the average sound level, otherwise there will be too many false detections.

I thing I can mix the DTMF over a "sweep" at the end of a jingle to trigger advertissement. DTMF does sound a bit strange when listening to the radio so I need to figure out a way of "hiding" it somewhere at the end of a jingle.
RB detects DTMF only on one channel (left).
(Theoretically) On stereo stream it should be possible to mutually subtract the DTMF if right channel has the same DTMF signal in counterphase.

When i set PTT don't can the mic-button push. Without PTT is ok.
When using PTT you should hold the MIC button while you talking.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
I do not know about DTMF. What for is it? Thanks!
It's used to trigger events not based on time, but basen on DTMF labels instead. Useful in some cases when you, for instance, retransmit other station and need to substitute Adverticement blocks with your own.
Here's what Wikipedia has to say about DTMF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-tone_multi-frequency_signaling

Hope to help you to find a lot of bugs.
I hope there won't be much bugs as usual. Currently the developments are done on a less features=>more quality principle :)

I have a request can u make a case in upper for repeat random manuel etc for playlist useful thanks and remove repeat this big button from downpage of radioboss
You can turn off the unneeded buttons in Settings->Controls. Regarding upper-case... I don't think it's a change that needs to be done. You can open language files and change it as you need though :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 23, 2012, 02:44:18 PM
I will try with a two digit only so it will be less audible.
I woudn't advice that. It greatly increases a change of a false detection - music can contain DTMF frequencies as well... 4-6 digits is more reliable. You can make DTMF tones shorter, like in the file attached.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 23, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
I do not have any experience with DTMF but now I am very happy that I CAN SEE :)
Great improvemenet with Window Font Size and Multiple Music Library. That is wonderful. Thanks Dmitry.

In Control - Information Tab - is a problem when I increase font size with the input text boxes.
In FX tab maybe the buttons shoud be auto-size.
Title: Countdown clock font
Post by: pety on November 23, 2012, 11:41:04 PM
I would like increase Countdown clock font size to 14. But when I do that there is a problem.
If you can fix that I'll be very happy.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 24, 2012, 12:39:04 AM
RB 4.8.0.0 (beta) works on DWG Radio Romania. That means that instalation was good (Win 7 Ultimate).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 24, 2012, 02:53:32 AM
4.8 is working fine on my computer!   :)  [4.7.7.1  crashed on startup]

I still have a lot to learn as I just got started trying RadioBOSS last week..  I will get at poking around and do my best to help with the beta testing.

DTMF - interesting.. we use that for system control etc in amateur radio..

If you have anything specific you need tested..  I'm an old retired radio guy so have time to play. I was involved with both on air and technical. My use for RadioBOSS is for my low power hobby station. I have no streaming at this time and noting is  critical, so I can play around with testing and trying new things. For some of us radio gets in your blood or what ever and so I like to keep a hand in this..  ;)

Thanks - Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: bobby on November 24, 2012, 08:28:14 AM
Hey djsoft

how is it coming along with the .ogg chained title stuff on radioboss

how much longer until thats added on radioboss just curious

and keep up the great work on radioboss
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 24, 2012, 08:34:04 AM
Hello Dmitry:

I think I forgot to preload buffer for streaming. When will it be added?

On the other hand I also support the DTMF detection in streaming. :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 24, 2012, 11:26:05 AM
RB 4.8.0.0 (beta) works on DWG Radio Romania. That means that instalation was good (Win 7 Ultimate).
Wow! It's risky using beta version in production :) I'm glad it's working good now.

Casey
Thanks for taking part in testing. There's nothing specific that needs to be tested... the whole program should be. Everything can be improved, and that's what we're working on here. Any suggestions are welcome!

bobby
Chained OGG (and FLAC) is not a priority task right now. But I'll see what I can do about it.

I think I forgot to preload buffer for streaming. When will it be added?
It's in the queue, so will be added at some point.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 24, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
Update RadioBOSS 4.8.0.1
All reported bugs were fixed.

Download
http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8_beta.exe?4801
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 24, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
Would love to part of the Beta testing! - e-mailed sales but have not got a reply  :'(
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 24, 2012, 12:21:43 PM
Regarding beta tester keys. The keys don't work in version 4.8.0.0, please download the latest version 4.8.0.1 and key will be accepted.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 24, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Would love to part of the Beta testing! - e-mailed sales but have not got a reply  :'(
Please check your e-mail, the key should be there.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 24, 2012, 01:19:22 PM
Update RadioBOSS 4.8.0.1
All reported bugs were fixed.
Excelent! Tested! Works great. Congrats Dmitry! Best work.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 24, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Only if you want. I would like a litle font size increase for clock from the left ?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dashford on November 24, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
Search tab in RB 4.8 seems only to look for music libraries in the default directory -- it ignores the music library file and directory specified in the general settings.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta] - BUG (?)
Post by: pety on November 24, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
Music Library does not let me to set my own path for Libraries. I set my own Base.xml in My Documents\Libraries, but in Control Panel -> Search is not any Library.

I know that RB 4.7.7.1 let me to set my own path (location) for Library. That is good, becouse I want to have in one central folder all my folders and files to manage playlists, libraries, etc., etc.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 24, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
Hi

I can see in setting that the font can be changed for the countdown clock - but I cannot see the clocks themselves ?? do I need to enable them somewhere?

V4.8.0.1
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: StreamJamz on November 24, 2012, 02:43:21 PM
i can't seem to download the new version of 4.8.0.1. it's a non executable file
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 24, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
dashford, pety
Yes, it only looks for .xml files in the default folder. Why doesn't anyone like the default folder?  ???
A setting will be added to set the library folder.

I can see in setting that the font can be changed for the countdown clock - but I cannot see the clocks themselves ?? do I need to enable them somewhere?
It looks like you're using high DPI mode, and that causes problems. This will be fixed soon.

i can't seem to download the new version of 4.8.0.1. it's a non executable file
You can use this link:
http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8_beta.exe
What browser are you using? All major ones (latest versions) download the file correctly...

I would like a litle font size increase for clock from the left ?
As you see there's no much space to increase the font... I think we'll better leave it as it is for now :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 24, 2012, 03:28:40 PM
Yes - screen enlarged to 150% due to poor eyesight
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 24, 2012, 08:55:42 PM
New BUG:
Occurred with a list, a song was always selected. The solution was to restart Radio boss (view capture screen)

I remember old Bugs:
* No Function "Remove from list to play"
* To maximize and minimize register window returns to its original position.



Thanks!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 25, 2012, 12:24:07 AM

These comments are from the view of a simple basic user setup, with no streaming..

One of the things that I like about RadioBOSS, in addition to its great features and interface is how easy it is to get it up and running.  :)  Without a lot of reading most new users should be able to get the program working by loading some music files into the Main play window. It is also very easy to add announcements with the scheduler. This gets you going while you learn other features of the program.

So far, there is one things that I am having problems with.. (excuse me if I have missed the way to do this)

I understand that there is likely a way to handle this in a script file - play list.. but that is for later after one has learned more. For now can there be an easier way? For some this may satisfy their needs

Short files such as a station ID (2.3 sec) do not play properly. Fade in/fade out make them useless. The audio level was almost too low to be heard and the ends are cut off.

Trying to solve this I almost eliminated the fading/cross fading. For my easy going format an occasional short delay between song is not as much a problem as loosing a short announcement. (The default fading was not acceptable to me anyway as it cuts too much of the end and beginning of songs.)

Even pretty well eliminating cross fading did not solve this problem.    Setting: Fade in 0.5 / Fade out 0.5 / Mix point 0.0.

I have checked "Do not crossfade short tracks"  - this doe not make any difference.

I also played with padding the beginning and end of the file with extra dead space. It helps but should not be necessary.

What solve this but not a proper fix was totally eliminating Cross fade, by un-ticking Fade in, Fade out & Mix point.

Would it be possible to add some options for setting the scheduled event that would allow setting a hard rule on how the file should be played.. ie NO fading - pause music play until finished.. etc.?

------------
Program install

RadioBOSS install is fast and simple using it's default settings... it just happens.

but..

we do not all want the program's various folders spread around in the users folders on drive C:, using more or less the Microsoft arrangement for files. I for one do not want everything on drive C: with the operating system.

I prefer to leave the OS on it's on drive and have important programs and their data on another drive. This make it much easier to manage and for backing up only the program and data.

So for some the current install, folder setup is fine but how about an install wizard that is optional. For those who select the default install, it goes away. For those who would like more control on file and folder locations the wizard could walk a new user through the process explain what folders were needed, what for etc and let you select the location.

Even this could have a Simple and more Advanced choice. Simple could be just create a folder on drive X: and put all RadioBOSS data folders in there. Advanced.. the user can decide where each folder goes.. every install is different so here we have options. This way would be a lot faster and easier then having to go through the program after the install and make changes to suit what you  want.

Enough for now..   ;)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: David on November 25, 2012, 07:36:14 AM
Casey   
You said
 "Short files such as a station ID (2.3 sec) do not play properly. Fade in/fade out make them useless. The audio level was almost too low to be heard and the ends are cut off."

Under the Crossfades screen you will see File Types listed.  You might want to try adding some file types like Jingle, ID, etc to these.  Make sure to leave the Mix point and Fade out unchecked and thier times left at 0 sec.  Now the important thing is that the files name itself must contain the name of the file type...like Jingle, Legal ID, etc.  Now when the scheduler plays them it will read the file name and can see they have no fade.  This is how it works for me.  Hope this helps. 

David


Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 25, 2012, 07:50:07 AM
Casey
Thanks for your input!
You should use File Types to achieve what you need. In addition to David's answer, here's user manual page about File Types: http://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/using_different_types_of_files.htm

Regarding folders, maybe you're right. From time to time people complain about using the AppData folder (especially that Voice Tracks and Libraries being stored there)... But it's the correct way to store the settings under Windows, and we're following MS guidelines. It will be possible to change settings folder in the future, in one of 4.8 updates.

Currently you can make RB store setting in its own folder: just delete the uid.ini file. It won't work if program is installed in Program Files (because of securrity restrictions), so you should install it somewhere else, eg. D:\RadioBOSS.

New BUG:
Occurred with a list, a song was always selected. The solution was to restart Radio boss (view capture screen)
Please give more info on this one.

* No Function "Remove from list to play"
There's a feature to delete tracks after playback, turned on via Playlist menu. Or you mean something else?

* To maximize and minimize register window returns to its original position.
Yes, it's a known bug, and it's in the queue to be fixed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 25, 2012, 08:58:38 AM
Quote
New BUG:
Occurred with a list, a song was always selected. The solution was to restart Radio boss (view capture screen)
Please give more info on this one.
Hint'm selected in the list and was able to remove the selection (as if pressing the Control key on the track). did not affect anything, just that he could not deselect that track.
if it happens again maybe capture a video to understand me better.
Quote
* No Function "Remove from list to play"
There's a feature to delete tracks after playback, turned on via Playlist menu. Or you mean something else?

Sorry for the bad translation. I mean that in a few versions ago it stopped working


Quote

* To maximize and minimize register window returns to its original position.
Yes, it's a known bug, and it's in the queue to be fixed.
Ok, I hope they fix it son  :)

With regard to the import of m3u, half library, will be soon?

There are plans to launch weather announcements, aux players before they finalize this beta?

Thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 25, 2012, 11:21:01 AM
nelson c
Well, if it's only selection problem, I don't think it's a big deal... But I've never seen this problem before myself nor there was similar reports.

Regarding the "Remove after playback" - this feature works fine, check the PLaylist->Queue mode.

Importing .m3u/.m3u8 files to the library will be in 4.8.0.3, weather/hour announcements should also appear in this Beta too. AUX players are planned for the future updates, eg. 4.8.4 or maybe 4.9.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 25, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
nelson c
Well, if it's only selection problem, I don't think it's a big deal... But I've never seen this problem before myself nor there was similar reports.

Regarding the "Remove after playback" - this feature works fine, check the PLaylist->Queue mode.

Importing .m3u/.m3u8 files to the library will be in 4.8.0.3, weather/hour announcements should also appear in this Beta too. AUX players are planned for the future updates, eg. 4.8.4 or maybe 4.9.

Ok, great! makes me happy that so much development! :)

Regarding Queue mode something strange happens:In my notebook works perfect, but in the main pc radio does not work (just tried the default profile and does not work)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 25, 2012, 07:15:12 PM
I seem to be having issues with the license key

RB crashed when I ran a schedule - probably my fault because I asked it to generate 360 hours of music!

It restarted fine but did not remember that I had regisered a licence key and asked for one to be entered. It looks like it has re-started several times as I only have 30 Tries left ?

I cannot see anything in the log at the bottom left to indicate why it is re-starting - unless it is simply timing out after 5 hours and re-starting?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 26, 2012, 03:01:03 AM

Under the Crossfades screen you will see File Types listed.  You might want to try adding some file types like Jingle, ID, etc to these.  Make sure to leave the Mix point and Fade out unchecked and thier times left at 0 sec.  Now the important thing is that the files name itself must contain the name of the file type...like Jingle, Legal ID, etc.  Now when the scheduler plays them it will read the file name and can see they have no fade.  This is how it works for me.  Hope this helps. 

David

Thank you Dave, that solves that one.. I have that part figured out and working.  :)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 26, 2012, 03:24:03 AM
RB crashed when I ran a schedule - probably my fault because I asked it to generate 360 hours of music!
It shouldn't crash no matter what you do in the program. Does it always happen? If yes, please send the playlist generator preset (click Settings->Open Settings Folder, zip and send Presets folder).
What was the error message was by the way? In the Settings folder there are "bugreport_XXX.txt" files - please send them for analysis.

It restarted fine but did not remember that I had regisered a licence key and asked for one to be entered. It looks like it has re-started several times as I only have 30 Tries left ?
What operating system are you using?
Regarding restarts, yes, after 5 trial hours passed, it will close the program, but the "restart" feature still works.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 26, 2012, 03:41:42 AM

You should use File Types to achieve what you need. In addition to David's answer, here's user manual page about File Types: http://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/using_different_types_of_files.htm

Regarding folders, maybe you're right. From time to time people complain about using the AppData folder (especially that Voice Tracks and Libraries being stored there)... But it's the correct way to store the settings under Windows, and we're following MS guidelines. It will be possible to change settings folder in the future, in one of 4.8 updates.

Currently you can make RB store setting in its own folder: just delete the uid.ini file. It won't work if program is installed in Program Files (because of securrity restrictions), so you should install it somewhere else, eg. D:\RadioBOSS.

Yes.. I should have done some more reading!   :)

I have previous experience in beta testing an have written help files for some smaller programs. From this I have learned a few things. 

- Programers, in many cases, know the program so well they do not relate to how the users see and understand things.  - The same can be true with experienced users.

- Many users do not take time to read manuals (I'm guilty, sometimes) - this accounts for so many basic questions being asked over and over in user forums.. (run a few of these)

I hope that my input can be of help understanding and relating to how a new user see things in the program.  Sometime little tweaks to things can help.  For myself,  I have used many other broadcast software programs, both free & commercial demos. This can also lead to confusion in how things work..  For the record, RadioBOSS is my favorite!

More to come.. I'm keeping notes..  :)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 26, 2012, 04:45:12 AM
I believe that it has "crashed" a couple of times. When it does it re-starts fine but ask to continue with the trial or enter a license key. After entering a license key, I re-start and everythbing is fine. It has now run for nearly 10 hours without any problem.

I cannot find any bug reports in the settings foulder ???

I am running Windows 7

I will send over the pre-sets to you and keep an eye on the system.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on November 26, 2012, 05:16:08 AM
Hi,
Quote
It greatly increases a change of a false detection - music can contain DTMF frequencies as well... 4-6 digits is more reliable. You can make DTMF tones shorter, like in the file attached.
The file you published sounds great! DTMF is nicely mixed with the jingle. Could you please published advices on DTMF signaling for proper operation, i.e. numbers of digits, DTMF minimum duration per digit, minimum duration of separation between two DTMF digits, confirm detection is only done on left channel.

Could you please confirm you will add an option for "in stream" detection and not only "Line In" so it can work without soundcard.

Could you please also add the DTMF option in the Ads Scheduler tool. So advertisements can be triggered by DTMF from within the “main stream”. This is going to be used in conjunction with the “Overlay Playback” so it will smoothly replace the audio from “main stream” by the local Ad and get back to main stream at the end without disconnecting RB from main stream.

Old minor bug remaining: on my XP pro with the Scheduler window/tab. If I change columns display organization , in case using RDP or restarting Explorer.exe process, columns content are reset to  default organization hence not corresponding to columns titles.


But once again congratulation for this new version.

Christian
http://clubbingstation.com
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 26, 2012, 08:33:08 AM
Christian: the idea of ​​using "Overlay Playback" for a perfect mix, is very good. But I found a great limitation when I tried it: The simultaneous player only works if only one track (and obviously we need to issue several commercials)

Russian forum I read that pressing control + "D" is the DTMF that RB is detected.
Since then I have been watching the detection in songs, and I get the feeling that goes with any song accidentally activated, so I think we need more information to create DTMF tones that are safe.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 26, 2012, 09:39:07 AM
- Programers, in many cases, know the program so well they do not relate to how the users see and understand things.  - The same can be true with experienced users.
Yes, I agree. Sometimes we need a fresh look on things. If you find any feature not obvious to use (or find if the feature exists) - please let me know.

- Many users do not take time to read manuals (I'm guilty, sometimes) - this accounts for so many basic questions being asked over and over in user forums.. (run a few of these)
Very few people read user manuals. Sometimes it's easier to ask a question on forums or via e-mail, and it's understandable. User manual is still helpful as links to it can be included in the answer.

I hope that my input can be of help understanding and relating to how a new user see things in the program.  Sometime little tweaks to things can help.  For myself,  I have used many other broadcast software programs, both free & commercial demos. This can also lead to confusion in how things work..  For the record, RadioBOSS is my favorite!
Thanks! Minor changes and tweaks are done in every release. The power in details.

dave-t
When it crashes it should leave a bug report on what happened... Or at least you'll see Windows error message sayint "The program stopped working" - was it there?
What operating system are you using and do you have any antivirus software installed?

Christian
Yes, DTMF is checked on left channel only, right channel is completely ignored.
Regarding speed, it detects impulses of 20ms. I'd recommend 40..60ms for better stability.
In stream check will be added, but in the later versions.
DTMF will be added in Ads scheduler.

The RDP bug, for me it looks like a Windows bug. RB uses standard ListView control for scheduler, and I have no idea why it's displaying incorrectly in Windows XP via RDP. The bug is in tracker already, but I'm not sure if it will be fixed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 26, 2012, 09:42:38 AM
Christian: the idea of ​​using "Overlay Playback" for a perfect mix, is very good. But I found a great limitation when I tried it: The simultaneous player only works if only one track (and obviously we need to issue several commercials)
Overlay player works with playlists too, so it's OK to use it for a list of commercials.

Russian forum I read that pressing control + "D" is the DTMF that RB is detected.
Since then I have been watching the detection in songs, and I get the feeling that goes with any song accidentally activated, so I think we need more information to create DTMF tones that are safe.
It's actually a little bug in RB which produces false DTMF detections. It's already fixed and updated version will be uploaded shortly. Funny that someone from here reads Russian forums :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 26, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Utility to detect DTMF in files: http://dl.djsoft.net/DTMFChecker.zip
How to use: press a button and select a file (mp3, wav, ogg), program will start its playback and show found DTMF's and postitions in the log.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 26, 2012, 11:08:31 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.2
http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.2_beta.exe
Changes:
- improved DTMF detection quality
- extended the Add Command (Playlist->Add command) window
- fixed several visual problems when using high DPI mode
- ability to move tabs in work zones
- several minor bugs fixed
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta] - Line.IN - BUG
Post by: pety on November 26, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
Line.IN - BUG

Line.IN Doesn't work through Windows Mixer Control.
Only through Direct Sound works.

Windows XP Pro SP3.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 26, 2012, 01:16:18 PM
If I turn on PTT and press the mic button seconds hangs the radio boss 1-2 seconds

Why was the delay ever built ? I think not so good.

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 26, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
Yes I have McAfee is the PC is not a dedicated playout system. Will add that in  a couple of weeks.

I can see no bug report nor did I see anything on screen - but that may be due to poor eyesight. It has not crashed since although the scheduled task is not due to run for another hour.

Very impressed that I am backing my music library at the moment without any playback issues.

I have upgraded to 4.8.0.2 - I needed to enter the Beta license key again - should that have been required?

BRILLIANT fix on the screen display - I thank you very much for fixing the DPI issue  :)

Looking forward to playing with running bat files from within the scheduler as I can use this to rename and copy a playlist to Repeat a program at a later scheduled date

Thank you guys, you are heroes
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 26, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
OK - It did not crash this time when the schedule run but I did get the following error

00:04:39;error;"PlGen Error: 259 (C:\Program Files (x86)\RadioBOSS\PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe """"-hidden=""jukebox"") preset: ""jukebox""";

Here is the preset

object TGenSettings
  Parts = <
    item
      CatID = 'JJPOKJVSEUOFXAQ'
    end>
  UseLen = True
  Len = 360
  DontRepeatArtist = False
  DontRepeatArtistMin = 0
  DontRepeatArtistComparePercent = 100
  DontRepeatTrack = False
  DontRepeatTrackMin = 0
  ReadAdditionalInfo = True
  Priority = '012'
  Categories = <
    item
      CategoryID = 'JJPOKJVSEUOFXAQ'
      Name = 'JB-Tracks'
      LengthType = 0
      Length0 = 5
      Length1 = 0
      IgnoreDoNotRepeat = False
      SrcType = 0
      SrcBase = 'L:\RadioBoss\DataBase\Jukebox.xml'
      SrcIncludeSubfolders = False
      SrcInsertType = 0
      FYearExclude = False
      FLengthEnabled = False
      FLengthTo = 0
      FLengthFrom = 0
      FBPMExclude = False
    end>
end
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 03:34:22 AM
dave-t
McAfee antivirus could be an issue. Other users reported having problems using RadioBOSS when McAfee installed (random crashes, inability to broadcast and other weird errors). Most reports were about 6 months ago, so updated McAfee may be better...

License key issue was not addressed in this update, the beta key can sometimes deactivate. Please wait for the next update, it will be here within couple of days.

Looking forward to playing with running bat files from within the scheduler as I can use this to rename and copy a playlist to Repeat a program at a later scheduled date
It's already possible - click Wizard button, select "Start program" and select the .bat file you want to start.

00:04:39;error;"PlGen Error: 259
It's 'timeout' error. By default RB waits 3 minutes, and if playlist was not generated during this time, it shows this error. You can change the timeout value in Settings->General->Maximum time to generate playlist by schedule.
To speed up generation: in Playlist Generator Pro open Settings tab and uncheck the "Read additional info" checkbox.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 03:36:33 AM
pety
Thanks for reporting, will be checked.

Joshua
There shouldn't be any delay... Please post a screenshot of Microphone/LineIn settings here. This will help to find what could be a problem.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 27, 2012, 03:58:16 AM
Hi

McAfee is actually part of a security package provided by my Telco so there may be additional process runnon on top of the AV program. I will NOT be be running an AV program on the playout system when I install it in a couple of weeks time. AV scanning will be overnight on a Sunday only so I don't think it wil be a real issue for me.

I am a bit concerned about the timeout error though. There are only 443 files in that particular database so not sure why it is taking so long to produce the playlist? I have much larger databases with 10s of thousands of file entries.

I really need to read additional information as I am using Track Gain during the playout.

Thanks for letting me know about the licence key issue.

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 04:55:32 AM
You need to use "Read additional info" option only if you're using Track Tool to edit tracks (eg. set Start and End points) - using this option will allow playlist generator to read the real track duration. If you don't use Track Tool in such way you can safely turn off that option.

443 tracks are not much, and it should take several seconds to read all of them and create a playlist... Maybe it's antivirus's access scanner which slows down the process dramatically. Try turning it off.
If you click Generate in the Playlist Generator with the same template, how much time does it take to generate?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 27, 2012, 05:31:57 AM
Hi

McAfee is actually part of a security package provided by my Telco so there may be additional process runnon on top of the AV program. I will NOT be be running an AV program on the playout system when I install it in a couple of weeks time. AV scanning will be overnight on a Sunday only so I don't think it wil be a real issue for me.


McAfee and Norton are the top of our list for problem with customers computers. I'm retired but still keep a hand is the business I had ran for the past 15 yrs. We often refer to them as being another form of virus. For the past few years we have been using and recommending MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials.) We have never had any problems.

MSE is running on the computer being used for testing RadioBoss 4.8. No problems with crashing after running for hours. Even with me playing around with settings and testing various scheduling features. You may want to consider using MSE - it's free.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 27, 2012, 05:50:26 AM
I have run a few tests

I am generating a 7 hour playlist which is approx 120 tracks - this will be my overnight "Jukebox" playlist when I launch the station next year

With AV turned ON and reading additional information from file it is taking longer than 3 minutes and timing out

With AV turned OFF and NOT reading additional information it takes about 1 second !

With AV turned ON and NOT reading additonal information it takes about 1 second !

The issue therefore is reading the additional information which takes over 3 minutes with AV ON or OFF

Could a corrupt File or some spurious Metadata in one of the files be causing the problem?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 27, 2012, 06:36:37 AM


Quote
Joshua
There shouldn't be any delay... Please post a screenshot of Microphone/LineIn settings here. This will help to find what could be a problem.

Hallo,

here is a Screenshot, PTT enabled (then by push 1-2 sec. hang´s), when disabled it´s ok.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 27, 2012, 06:37:14 AM
SORRY GUYS! - I changed the database yesterday and there are NOT 433 files, there are actually 18,000.

I changed the timeout to generate the playlist to 10 minutes and actually takes 6 minutes to read all the files.

Sorry, I am learning about RB as well as testing the Beta - I apologise  ;)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 06:50:26 AM
SORRY GUYS! - I changed the database yesterday and there are NOT 433 files, there are actually 18,000.
Wow, that's a bit more than 433! :) Anyway, thanks for pulling up this problem. While doing tests about it, a way to speed up the generation with "Read additional info" was found: in the next update it will generate playlists 30-70% faster.

Casey
Thanks for warning about Norton.
In my opinion, no antivirus is required at all if several easy rules are folowed: don't open unfamiliar files; browse Internet with the browser running through Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/ ); have Windows Firewall enabled.

here is a Screenshot, PTT enabled (then by push 1-2 sec. hang´s), when disabled it´s ok.
Yes, thanks, the error confirmed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 27, 2012, 06:58:59 AM
I spoke too soon!

I finally crashed RadioBOSS beta-4.8.0.1, after running about 8.5 hours with no problems.

I was adding a file to the cart when I got an access violation error.  RB keep play in music file but I no longer had any control of the program. I exited the program using the icon in system tray.

I tried the option of sending a bug report but that failed. I was able to save the bug report, see attached.

Casey


















Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 27, 2012, 07:16:43 AM
Ok! happy to know that my stupidity will result in an improvement in RB  ;D

Can I ask you to consider one additon thing. Some time ago I asked if you could change the control buttons to make them easier to see - they lack contrast. I appreciate finding and fixing bugs is more important  :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 27, 2012, 08:06:10 AM
I have a Problem with Music Library..see Video.

Thanks.

Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 08:56:32 AM
Thanks for the video.

You don't see any files in search because of so-called "lazy load" feature. The database is loaded when you perform a search. Until then it's empty. This is done for faster RB startup.

The search result list shows first 500 results (to conserve memory), that's why you don't see complete database there.

Search was faster in previous versions because it didn't read the track metadata (playcount, etc). I think we'll make this configurable.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 27, 2012, 08:58:46 AM
Casey
Thanks for bug report.

dave-t
I agree. The new buttons will be added in the future versions, I think in one of the 4.8.x.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 27, 2012, 09:10:57 AM
Thanks - just going to post another "Feature request" in the appropriate forum
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 27, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
Thanks for the video.

You don't see any files in search because of so-called "lazy load" feature. The database is loaded when you perform a search. Until then it's empty. This is done for faster RB startup.

The search result list shows first 500 results (to conserve memory), that's why you don't see complete database there.

Search was faster in previous versions because it didn't read the track metadata (playcount, etc). I think we'll make this configurable.

Configurable is a good Idea.  :)

Thank you for TOP Support, very nice.

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 28, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Something new . .  Playlist window

Some file name is the Playlist window have changed color. Just a few and I have hot been able to
figure out why.  I noticed this happend after I added to [New Types]. I added ID and selected a color. The song that was playing change to the same color in the list. However, in further testing, this does not happen every time, it is very radom. Next, I changed the color for the ID File Type again. What ever colour I picked, the file name in the Playlist window changed to that color.

I checked the ID3 tags and to see [ID] was there, so the song was being seen as an ID file. There is nothing in the tags that should cause this.

Any Idea what is happening?

Casey

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 28, 2012, 03:19:08 AM
What ID are you using for the file type? If possible please send one of the "coloured" files to support@djsoft.net for analysis.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 04:29:58 AM
Hi

RB has failed to complete a schedule and restarted. I cannot see any bug reports - I believe that this is the second time this has happened.

See Attached.

The schedule ran at 08:00 to generate 1 hours of 1970 music - it failed to generate the stack and shut down, and then automatically restarted at 08:02:12. I did not see it happen.

After re-entering the licence key again I restarted at 08:55:04 and manually ran the same schedule at 08:56:03 and it worked fine taking just 5 seconds to generate the playlist.

Another schedule automatically ran at 09:00 to generate another 1 hours of 1980s and it took over 2 minutes to complete. Re-running the same schedule manually took 3 seconds !!

I have schedules running every hour throughout the day and will see how long it takes to run a schedule automatically as opposed to manually. it does seem that generating a playlist automatically takes a long time compared with manually running the same pre-set ???
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: David on November 28, 2012, 06:07:51 AM
Hi Casey...
I see when you use the word id in your file type that it changes the song color.  If you look closely at the songs that have changed color they all will contain the word id embedded in them.  You might try changing file type to something like LegalID  or maybe DJsoft has a better idea.  Hope this helps a little.

David
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 28, 2012, 06:18:53 AM
dave-t
Please give more information on how this happens. As I understood, an event with "generate" command starts, then program silently restarts itself?
If possible, please send playlist generator preset and library (.xml) you're using to support@djsoft.net - this will help much in reproducing the error.
You can also just wait for the next release (later today), it has some fixed regarding Playlist Generator, so maybe this issue will be gone.

David
There's nothing special I can offer in regard of ID's... Just make them longer to avoid 'collisions'.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 06:26:33 AM
It seems that when a scheduled event runs to generate the playlist it takes a lot longer than if you do it manually by the "run now" button.

The latest schedule took 50 seconds to generate 1 hour of music but when ran manually it took 2 seconds.

the same database and presets are being used

I am keeping an eye on it
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 07:11:45 AM
e-mail on the way with the preset and the associated database XML file

The 12:00 schedule took 127 seconds to produce 60 minutes of music although it took only 2 seconds to produce the same amound of music when ran manually with the "run now" button
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 28, 2012, 07:51:03 AM
E-mail received, thanks. I think this will be sorted in the next update.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 07:57:25 AM
Can you please let me know if you find anything. I am looking at my system to see if there is anything that could be causing the probnlem at my end
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 28, 2012, 08:40:51 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.3
http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.3_beta.exe
Changes:
- fixed microphone bug
- fixed line.in bug in Windows Mixer mode
- program doesn't require restarting when changing PFL (prelisten) device
- fixed bug when starting non-existent playlist in Overlay mode
- Playlist Generator Pro creates playlists much faster

Ad Scheduler improvments:
- can export events to RadioBOSS's scheduler
- Ad Scheduler events are marked with special icon in the Events list
- block intro/outro reworked: now it can be playlist, file, Track List or command
- warning can be shown when block exceeds specified duration
- added new options for generated events (music level and DTMF)
- numerous UI improvements
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 09:10:00 AM
Just update

!!! WOW !!! 7 HOUR PLAYLIST GENERATED IN 6 SECONDS  8)

Will keep an eye on things but first impressions are that scheduler/Playlist Generat Pro are working extremely well

Will feed back later today once more shcdules have run automatically

Has the issue with the license code been fixxed - I am running out of "trials"

Thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 28, 2012, 09:28:54 AM
Thanks :)

Regarding license code, please try the following:
1. enter your code as usual. In this version the way code is handled changed a bit and it should be fine now
2. if it doesn't work, right-click on RB icon, select Run As Administrator and try activating from there
3. if it doesn't help either let me know...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on November 28, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
Hi,

Great Support.

Thanks for  Mic -Button-Fix...works fine..

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 28, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
I have some question(s).

Is it possible to open Work Zone 2 (Cart wall, Search, File Explorer, Web browser) in the second Monitor (Display)? RB can works with 2 monitors (display)?

Update! I would like to have in WZ2 web browser, like in picture
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 28, 2012, 01:41:35 PM
Hello, as you can import lists .M3U to music library?

Other stuff:

-Error: DTMF tones using the ADS Scheduler running all commercial blocks simultaneously without following the schedule.
as used to replace commercial streaming links should perhaps allow a range of one or two minutes late, or maybe play the closest event.

-When you use the "Overlay Playback" and used play all tracks in a folder, does not work (if it works in playlists).


Thanks!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 28, 2012, 02:36:37 PM
Hi Casey...
I see when you use the word id in your file type that it changes the song color.  If you look closely at the songs that have changed color they all will contain the word id embedded in them.  You might try changing file type to something like LegalID  or maybe DJsoft has a better idea.  Hope this helps a little.

David..

I was thinking the same thing later, when I was trying to get to sleep. I check it when I got up and that is the problem. Just like when doing searched in some programs, RadioBOSS is picking out the letters ID from a word in the song title.

ie  Where Did Our Love Go << note in the word did  ID is there.

So you are correct, a longer file type name is required and something that would not normally be part of a common word.

What ID are you using for the file type? If possible please send one of the "coloured" files to support@djsoft.net for analysis.

djsoft..

Dave has this right.  Maybe a note on this with respect to name usage could be added to the help info..

Thanks  Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 28, 2012, 02:53:53 PM
Regarding license code, please try the following:
1. enter your code as usual. In this version the way code is handled changed a bit and it should be fine now
2. if it doesn't work, right-click on RB icon, select Run As Administrator and try activating from there
3. if it doesn't help either let me know...

FYI >>

I have not had any problem with having to re-enter the license code when I upgrade beta versions.

I install the new version over the current install. All settings and the license code stick.

Beta 4.8.0.3 now running.

Casey ...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 28, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
Happy to report no further issues with playlist generation today after upgrading to 4.8.0.3

RB ran an automated playlist generation at midnight (UK Time) and produced a 7 hour playlist in 14 seconds.

Thanks guys

Time for bed  :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 28, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
nelson c
Well, if it's only selection problem, I don't think it's a big deal... But I've never seen this problem before myself nor there was similar reports.

Regarding the "Remove after playback" - this feature works fine, check the PLaylist->Queue mode.

Importing .m3u/.m3u8 files to the library will be in 4.8.0.3, weather/hour announcements should also appear in this Beta too. AUX players are planned for the future updates, eg. 4.8.4 or maybe 4.9.

Ok, great! makes me happy that so much development! :)

Regarding Queue mode something strange happens:In my notebook works perfect, but in the main pc radio does not work (just tried the default profile and does not work)

Any idea why this might happen? if you need a video capture
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 29, 2012, 12:34:45 AM
Update! I would like to have in WZ2 web browser, like in picture
RB is designed to work on one monitor... Regarding web browser, I see you already have it in the second zone?
If you need browser on second screen, I think it will be easier to open your regular browser there.

Dave has this right.  Maybe a note on this with respect to name usage could be added to the help info..
In future, identifiers will be stored in metadata, so you won't need to use titles at all.
For identifiers you can use something like *ID. This is unlikely to appear in regular music track title.
Also check the "Do not send this track title to server" to hide this from listeners.

I have not had any problem with having to re-enter the license code when I upgrade beta versions.
The license code problem is pretty rare... But we still need to fix it to make it work for everyone. In most cases problems happen because of antivirus software.

RB ran an automated playlist generation at midnight (UK Time) and produced a 7 hour playlist in 14 seconds.
Yes, the playlist generator works really fast now :)
What about license code - does it work now or you still use trial version?

Any idea why this might happen? if you need a video capture
Yes, video capture would be very nice.
And please give more info on the system: what OS are you using, and is there any antivirus software installed?

Great Support.
Thank you :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 29, 2012, 01:23:21 AM
djsoft

Quote
I think it will be easier to open your regular browser there.
Of course it is easy to open a browser in a second monitor. But not this is the point. Let me give you some reasonings.

First of all if user increase the font size the RB become very "compressed" with a cuneiform written . That mean that RB looks like raw-head and bloody bones. I checked that to a display by 19 inch.

Second one. Not the browser is my first option for Work Zone 2, but the SEARCH tool. Browser just looks nice, that is why I choose it to be shown.

Now we have tree panels but WZ2 in that conditions (increasing font size) is useless.

Update!

Third reason is personal (emotional). I want to boast with RB's functionalities.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 29, 2012, 02:05:37 AM
It looks fine on 1920x1080 and higher resolutions (see screenshot).

Also you can temporarily turn on/off the left panel by clicking Ctrl+L.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 29, 2012, 02:08:44 AM
Hello, as you can import lists .M3U to music library?
Not yet, but it will be added pretty soon.

-Error: DTMF tones using the ADS Scheduler running all commercial blocks simultaneously without following the schedule. as used to replace commercial streaming links should perhaps allow a range of one or two minutes late, or maybe play the closest event.
Yes, it'll be like this... DTMF checking will be tied to event start time somehow.

-When you use the "Overlay Playback" and used play all tracks in a folder, does not work (if it works in playlists).
Thanks for reporting this one, will be fixed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 29, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
It looks fine on 1920x1080 and higher resolutions (see screenshot).

Also you can temporarily turn on/off the left panel by clicking Ctrl+L.
I think you are joking an I am very serious. You have in image no playlist, no track in Main no font-size increase. I will send you ours imager later.

Do you know? There is no problem if you can't do it. I can understand if it is a task over your skills.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 29, 2012, 03:43:00 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.3 crash

I had a crash with RB tonight, unfortunately there were no error reports or messages
to capture.

I had a total program lock up.. At the top of the program window was "program not responding".
This may not be of any help but figured I should pass it along.

The crash is likely a result of my making hardware changes while RB was running. On the other hand if this caused RB to lock up, wouldn't be better if the program gave an error and let you fix the problem?  If it's a windows fault, not much can be done..  :(

So here is what happened. I plugged in a USB sound card. Shortly after RB crashed totally. I had no control of anything and had to stop the program via the task manager.

I forgot about windows bad habit of decided a USB sound device should become the default soundcard.  (Microsoft has windows does this by default.) This likely caused a problem with RB accessing the selected sound card.. Maybe caused it to panic and crash??

This could also happen if someone decides to plug in their USB headphones, on the fly..

After rebooting and making changes to the playback devices I was was able to get RB running again with two soundcards.

Problems - Using two soundcards..

1) - I have the On Air music audio coming out of both sound cards.. This is correct as far as the
description in the manual. "In addition to the Main soundcard, RadioBOSS can output the same signal to another sound card."

There was one time I ran RB that the On Air audio did not come through the monitor speakers. PreListen worked fine on the monitor soundcard and On air audio was ok on the main sound card.  The next time I rebooted it was back the same as before.. No Idea why this happened..
 
2) - How do I turn off or turn down the "On Air" audio on the monitor soundcard? 

I tried clicking on the mute speaker icon on the menu bar, this seemed like a logical thing to do. (Not well explained in the manual)  This does not work for this purpose as it mutes both the On Air and Monitor audio.

The PreListen audio plays with both with and without mute pressed. There would be time when you may not what to hear the on air audio and if you use mute you are off the air.

3) - When you press the Mic button, the monitor audio should mute. (That's the way it was at any stations where I worked. You don't really what to hear yourself or have feedback.)

The Mic button does not mute the monitor audio.. should it?  If not, can this be added?

Summary
- Prelisten works on the monitor soundcard but is always mixed with the On Air music. 
- Mute button mutes both on air and monitor audio. 
- The correct feed is going to the transmitter from the main soundcard.
- Only the Monitor soundcard is having problem. 
- Mic does not mute On Air audio to monitor soundcard.

I've experimented with all the settings but have not found the solution yet.

Disable local echo

- What is Disable local echo Suppose to do? 
   With this selected the microphone is disabled.

I hope this is useful, I've been experimenting and testing for many hours today!  :)

Casey..
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 29, 2012, 08:12:53 AM
I think you are joking an I am very serious. You have in image no playlist, no track in Main no font-size increase. I will send you ours imager later.

Do you know? There is no problem if you can't do it. I can understand if it is a task over your skills.
No jokes :) I just made a quick printscreen on one of the test machines. But it's really a screen resolution issue - 1920x1080 has 1:8 ratio, while 1440x900 is just 1:6, eg. 1980 monitor is wider and therefore has more horizontal space.
It's not a 'skill' problem, it's a question if we need to do it or not...  Stretching one window on 2 screens is not a good idea. It won't look good. Especially if screens have different resolutions.
But I suddenly think there may be a good solution: make 'Zone2' detachable, eg. it will be inside its own, separate window, and you can move it wherever you need.

Casey
Thanks for reporting the hardware changing problem. This will be checked.
Do you use WASAPI driver for Main and Monitor devices?
There's no volume control for Monitor sound card.

Regarding the Mute feature, it's implemented as DSP (so it affects everything where this stream is played), as opposed to Volume control, which controls only sound card output level. I think Mute button will be removed as I don't see any use for it. And I don't recall why it was added to the program...

MIC button doesn't mute the audio, and I think this can be added. Another users requested the same before.

- Prelisten works on the monitor soundcard but is always mixed with the On Air music. 
Yes if you have Monitor and Prelisten set to the same device, those will be mixed. Probably the program should check it and mute On Air when you prelisten a track...

- What is Disable local echo Suppose to do? 
   With this selected the microphone is disabled.
With this option on you won't hear microphone through speakers, but if you have broadcasting encoders set, your listeners will hear what you say.
This is a feature for Internet-radio only.

I hope this is useful, I've been experimenting and testing for many hours today!  :)
Yes, thank you very much for sharing experiment results. It helps making software better.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 29, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
djsoft
Quote
make 'Zone2' detachable

That is a good ideea too (but, in my opinion, not better). I still think that it will be great that WZ2 can be open in second monitor. For us that will be great, but if your decision is : "Stretching one window on 2 screens is not a good idea. It won't look good  ??? " we cannot do anything. You can decide that is your software, of course. Maybe if someone else likes my ideea you will reconsider your position.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on November 29, 2012, 09:29:21 AM
I agree with Dmitry!, Also if WZ2 removable, can be dragged to a second monitor. perhaps the idea is like this: you have the main screen on a second monitor, and since the former can use any Windows application besides WZ2, or for example "Sigue editor"
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 29, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
pety
I just checked, and I was able to stretch window across two monitors with 1920x1080 resolution :) Don't use maximize button as it will maximize window on the current screen. Manually resize it.
Please see screenshot.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on November 29, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Interesting! I will check myself too. Thanks Dmitry and nelson.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 29, 2012, 11:41:25 AM
Re licence code issue .........

No issues at present simply because RB has not had to re-start itself  :) Manual shutting down and re-starting never was a problem.

Shcedule gernation is working really well now - great work guys  8)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 29, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
Found a strange one in the Musical Library

If you select a number of tacks and edit something like artist, Genre, Gender it either corrupts or removes any album artwork for MP3 files ::) It does NOT do the same with FLAC files !
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 29, 2012, 09:59:24 PM
Do you use WASAPI driver for Main and Monitor devices?
There's no volume control for Monitor sound card.

Yes I am using the WASAPI driver for both.

I have a hardware volume control on my Monitor sound card.  :)

FYI>>  This is what I am using for the monitor soundcard. A cheap and easy way for anyone to add a second soundcard.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-2-0-3D-Virtual-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-/221118472683?pt=US_Sound_Card_External&hash=item337bb021eb (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-2-0-3D-Virtual-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-/221118472683?pt=US_Sound_Card_External&hash=item337bb021eb)

Quote
I think Mute button will be removed as I don't see any use for it. And I don't recall why it was added to the program...

Instead of removing it, could it be made to only mute the On Air audio from going to the monitor sound card?
With a full radio station setup this would be done with a switch or pot on the board. I can see many time were this would be useful.

Quote
MIC button doesn't mute the audio, and I think this can be added. Another users requested the same before.

This would be excellent!

Quote
Yes if you have Monitor and Prelisten set to the same device, those will be mixed.
Probably the program should check it and mute On Air when you prelisten a track...

This would be good as many of us would not want to go beyond using 2 soundcards.

Quote
- What is Disable local echo Suppose to do?  (With this selected the microphone is disabled.)

With this option on you won't hear microphone through speakers, but if you have broadcasting encoders set,
your listeners will hear what you say. This is a feature for Internet-radio only.

I am not planing to experiment with online broadcasting yet but now I know.

Quote
Yes, thank you very much for sharing experiment results. It helps making software better.

I'm glad to be able to help  :)

Thank you djsoft, I will keep doing my experimenting and learning.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 30, 2012, 11:19:15 AM
Yes I am using the WASAPI driver for both.

I have a hardware volume control on my Monitor sound card.  :)
That's a nice piece of hardware. There are couple USB sound cards here, similar to the one you posted, but they don't have volume control nor they have any other buttons :) I think that will still be enough to test the issue you mentioned when sound cards added or removed while program operates.
By the way, WASAPI device handling was changed a bit in the latest update, you can test it - probably the issue has already gone.

Instead of removing it, could it be made to only mute the On Air audio from going to the monitor sound card?
With a full radio station setup this would be done with a switch or pot on the board. I can see many time were this would be useful.
This will add confusion as documentation says that "monitor" card will have the same sound as "main"...
What are you using the Monitor sound card for? In most cases it's easier to use the Main device only.
I think we'll start with a feature which mutes Monitor sound card while pre-listening a track (and prelisten device is the same as Monitor).

If you select a number of tacks and edit something like artist, Genre, Gender it either corrupts or removes any album artwork for MP3 files ::) It does NOT do the same with FLAC files !
Please send one track which becomes corrupted (but not corrupted yet) to support@djsoft.net. This will be fixed in the next update. I'm sorry if some of you files' tags were corrupted...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 30, 2012, 12:05:16 PM
MP3 file sent as requested
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 30, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
MP3 file sent as requested
Thank you. It looks like the file's tag is not written properly (wrong tag size specified). Where did this file come from, did you use other software to edit its tags?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on November 30, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
I use an application called TagTuner www.tagtuner.com to mass process file tags and for standardizing file names
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on November 30, 2012, 02:17:42 PM
I use an application called TagTuner www.tagtuner.com to mass process file tags and for standardizing file names
Thanks... This software will be checked. On the first sight it looks like the tags written by it do not conform to ID3V2 specification which results in this tag being read incorrectly by RB.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on November 30, 2012, 03:05:29 PM
Problems - Using two soundcards

There was one time I ran RB that the On Air audio did not come through the monitor speakers. PreListen worked fine on the monitor soundcard and On air audio was ok on the main sound card.  The next time I rebooted it was back the same as before.. No Idea why this happened..
 

It happened again... I lost the On Air audio on the monitor soundcard. PreListen worked fine on the monitor soundcard. RadioBOSS is working fine, other than this.

I have no idea what or why this happened. I was not doing anything with the computer at the time when I notice the sound stopped.

Restarting RadioBOSS fixed the problem.. Everything is back to normal now..

Casey

Update:

I now have some idea what is happening..
This time I caused the loss of On Air audio to monitor soundcard.

I was making some changes on the computer and unplugged the USB soundcard by mistake..  :(
I plugged it back in, RadioBOSS kept working.. all fine there..

But.. I had no On Air audio..  PreListen worked fine..

I still don't know exactly what happened the previous times but from this latest situation it may give some ideas. It is possible that RadioBOSS some how momentary loses connection with the USB soundcard. When it recovers, the path for the On Air audio is not restored, while the PreListen works.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 01, 2012, 04:35:55 AM
Problems - Using two soundcards

There was one time I ran RB that the On Air audio did not come through the monitor speakers. PreListen worked fine on the monitor soundcard and On air audio was ok on the main sound card.  The next time I rebooted it was back the same as before.. No Idea why this happened..
 

It happened again... I lost the On Air audio on the monitor soundcard. PreListen worked fine on the monitor soundcard. RadioBOSS is working fine, other than this.

I have no idea what or why this happened. I was not doing anything with the computer at the time when I notice the sound stopped.

Restarting RadioBOSS fixed the problem.. Everything is back to normal now..

Casey

Update:

I now have some idea what is happening..
This time I caused the loss of On Air audio to monitor soundcard.

I was making some changes on the computer and unplugged the USB soundcard by mistake..  :(
I plugged it back in, RadioBOSS kept working.. all fine there..

But.. I had no On Air audio..  PreListen worked fine..

I still don't know exactly what happened the previous times but from this latest situation it may give some ideas. It is possible that RadioBOSS some how momentary loses connection with the USB soundcard. When it recovers, the path for the On Air audio is not restored, while the PreListen works.


More info on using the monitor function on second soundcard..

I was away for about 3 1/2 hours this afternoon, when I came home, I had lost the On Air audio from the monitor soundcard. PreListen  was still working. So this happens when nothing else is being done on the computer.

Later this morning (when I should have been sleeping) I again noticed I had lost the On Air audio from the monitor soundcard.  However, this time things were different as PreListen  did not work and I got an error message... see attached

I noticed in the Playback device settings..

The monitor soundcard was using the WASAPI driver while the the Preview output is using the DirectSound driver. The driver for the Preview output can not be changed, all other options are grayed out.

Next test I set both to use the DirectSound driver. It is working now.. Will test this more later to day, after I get some sleep..  :)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 01, 2012, 08:17:08 AM
Casey
Thank you for detailed information on this error (I wish all bug reports were that detailed :)).
Looks like 'Monitor' feature has some bugs. Working on it...

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 01, 2012, 08:23:42 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.4
- Improved "Restart program if it crashes or hangs" feature
- Fixed performance issue in Music Library when loading large libraries (100k+ tracks)
- Playlist Generator Pro can be launched from command line (see first post for details)
- Mouse drag-n-drop for categories and playlist structure in Playlist Generator Pro

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.4_beta.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 01, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Hello!, new bug when opening the program after upgrading.

Many Thanks for the importing m3u playlists! It is very useful!
Congratulations again on this day is software that is best :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 01, 2012, 08:50:35 AM
Thanks :) The bug you reported was fixed. Download the installer again.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 01, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Perfect! excellent that fast! haha :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 01, 2012, 09:14:08 AM
Ooo nice!

Can the "run playlist generator pro from command line" and include the parameters from the scheduler? or would I have to write a batch file and run that rather the generator pro?

I know I should sit and try it but I have suffered a hard disc crash so re-building my system  >:(

I have now ordered a dedicated RB system which is a Dell dual core system running Windows 8 - due to arrive December 10th  8)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 01, 2012, 04:07:15 PM
Hallo,

thanks for fast Development. The Music Library goes many faster. So it's really fun  :)
I have a Request:
I wish one eq for the micro. is that possible? or there is a plugin for it?

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 01, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
Hi I will like to some improvements in the search:
-The new Stop Search button, also could clear the search field.
- When you change the search combobox (so the library or artist, title), would be good to refresh the search without having to delete or add a character.
-I need a way to see the entire list (even when empty search field is shown 500 songs)

These are just ideas that we think would make it easier to search for music.

Thanks!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 01, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
Casey
Thank you for detailed information on this error (I wish all bug reports were that detailed :)).
Looks like 'Monitor' feature has some bugs. Working on it...

Glad to be of help..  :)

Another update on monitor sound..

Now 12 hours with On Air and PreListen both using the DirectSound driver.
Setup this way,  I have had no problem with loosing the On Air audio..

voice-track
Voice-tracking recorder and playback are also working fine.
One thought, would it be possible to add a volume control for when you are playing and editing voice-tracks? Like in the PreListen player..

I did find a problem using the controls on my USB soundcard.

The mute and volume controls on the USB soundcard also control the main soundcard. ??  I didn't catch this before..  I turned down the monitor volume, while on the phone, then didn't  turn it back up right away.. A bit later when I checked my off air signal, I  had very low audio on the transmitter..  (On the positive side, it did make me aware of a power supply problem.. hum..  I need a different PS or some more filtering.)

When I move this setup, off the bench, to a more permanent location, speakers with a hardware volume control will be included.. There must be a pair around here some where..  ;)

I have most thing working fine using basic operation with RadioBOSS. Now it is time to do some reading and  learn about using the Playlists etc..  :)

Running RadioBOSS Beta 4.8.04

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 02, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
View problem...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 02, 2012, 01:31:08 AM
I did find a problem using the controls on my USB soundcard.

The mute and volume controls on the USB soundcard also control the main soundcard. ??  I didn't catch this before..  I turned down the monitor volume, while on the phone, then didn't  turn it back up right away.. A bit later when I checked my off air signal, I  had very low audio on the transmitter..  (On the positive side, it did make me aware of a power supply problem.. hum..  I need a different PS or some more filtering.)

Update on this observation..

This situation is either something that windows or this computer is doing. I verified this by playing an internet stream direct from my browser, with RadioBOSS turned off.

So knowing this, I don't think there is anything you can do about it..   :(

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 02, 2012, 10:03:58 AM
dave-t
If you want to generate one playlist you can use "run" command in the scheduler to do it. If you want to generate several playlists by a single event, a .bat file should be created for this (and then you start that .bat file via the scheduler).
I hope RB will work good on your new system :)

Joshua
Ability to use DSP for microphone will be added, it's already planned. Should be in one of the 4.8.x updates.

nelson c
500 tracks limit will be removed, many people complain about it... Other requests will be considered as well.

Casey
Now 12 hours with On Air and PreListen both using the DirectSound driver.
Setup this way,  I have had no problem with loosing the On Air audio..

It looks like sound card's driver doesn't like when card is used in DirectSound and WASAPI modes by the same app... This will be checked.

One thought, would it be possible to add a volume control for when you are playing and editing voice-tracks? Like in the PreListen player..
Yes, that's possible, will be added soon.
I also think adding a sort of Normalization/Auto-Level for recorded voice tracks... Sometimes VT's are quiet and program would be able to fix that.

pety
Looks like you're using a very large font :)
The problem will be fixed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 02, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
This situation is either something that windows or this computer is doing. I verified this by playing an internet stream direct from my browser, with RadioBOSS turned off.
Casey
Probably those buttons on the sound card function like multimedia buttons on keyboard. And you're right, there's nothing RB should do about it.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 02, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
RadioLogger added to setup

Early this morning, I installed RadioLogger to see how it world play with my soundcard setup. I happy to report that all is working fine.  :)

OT.. A comment on description - uses for RadioLoger..

All licensed radio stations in Canada (I believe it's in the same in the USA) are required to have audio logging of all programing. This is the law here. RadioLogger should satisfy this requirement.  ;)

CPU Usage

I notice that RadioBOSS indicates much higher CPU usage than Windows shows.

         RB = 38%
Windows = 17%

This is with RB, RL, Firefox, MSE. Total Commander and several other small programs running.   :)

So as far as my computer is concerned, CPU usage is very light.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 02, 2012, 03:26:45 PM
One thought, would it be possible to add a volume control for when you are playing and editing voice-tracks? Like in the PreListen player..

Yes, that's possible, will be added soon.
I also think adding a sort of Normalization/Auto-Level for recorded voice tracks... Sometimes VT's are quiet and program would be able to fix that.

This will be great!

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 02, 2012, 03:50:56 PM
Yes, audio logging is a must in many countries. I'm not sure about good wording to mention it in the description... Probably just add a bulleted list with the use cases.

Regarding CPU usage, the number in the status bar doesn't really show CPU load - it's a data provided by audio engine on how reliable audio playback is (numbers close to 100% indicate problems). I think this indicator should be removed - it was added to the program in the first versions, almost 10 years ago, mostly for debugging reasons. Now it only confuses users and nothing more...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 02, 2012, 07:07:19 PM
Production work while broadcasting

Sometime I need to edit audio file and/or add voice tracks to an existing file.  Currently I am trying Audacity on the RB machine, it lets me select the soundcard for output. This, however, does not work well as there is no way to mute the On Air audio on the monitor soundcard. This makes it necessary to use another computer to do some production work. Another option may be adding another soundcard for PreListening. (I've ordered a few more of these USB soundcards to try this)

Some thought on options to make this possible in RB..

The voice-track recorder and edit function work well... but.. have you considered the possibility of extending it's functionality?

Or this could be separate function built on the voice-track recorder concept, with a different name.

1) - add the ability to load existing files
    this would allow previewing and editing various files while broadcasting.

2) - have the ability to add voice track to an existing file...
     a) - add VT at beginning or end at cue mark
     b) - mix VT with existing file beginning at cue point - voice over ..

3) - mute On Air audio while this is being used!

This would add a real production tool.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 03, 2012, 06:02:04 AM
Yes I am very much looking forward to the new system which will be dedicated to RadioBoss and a major step forward in getting my station online in the new year.

Thanks for to new feature for generating playlists which I will use during overnight to generate a full days worth of playlist rather than doing it on the fly.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 03, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
No Direct Sound No Windows Mixer Control for Line.IN in RB 4.8.0.4

 ???

At least in 4.8.0.3 Direct Sound worked. Nothing good for now.

Windows XP Pro SP3.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 03, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
Casey
The Mute button will be converted to Mute Monitor. Also Monitor will be automatically muted when you prelisten a track (or use VT recorder, Track tool, etc). Other issues with Monitor device will be checked - I think all this should be done in the next update.
By the way, why do you listen your station through Monitor instead of using the Main device directly?

Regarding VT playback, it's handled during playback by RadioBOSS - you should set Intro/Outro markers for tracks and add VT to the playlist. More information about this: http://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/voice_tracking.htm

pety
Are there any errors when you try using Mixer Control or DirectSound for line.in?

dave-t
Let me know if you have any questions regarding batch playlist generation.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 03, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
Sorry, but no error message for Line.IN. I checked line in with audacity recording and it works. In the 8.4.0.3 version Direct Sound worked fine.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 03, 2012, 03:11:07 PM

dave-t
Let me know if you have any questions regarding batch playlist generation.

Will do. My new system is on its way and I should receive it on Thursday. I have some work to do as I am replacing the hard disc with an SSD. I expect to start putting RB though its paces on Windows 8 on Saturday or Sunday  8)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 03, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Casey
The Mute button will be converted to Mute Monitor. Also Monitor will be automatically muted when you prelisten a track (or use VT recorder, Track tool, etc). Other issues with Monitor device will be checked - I think all this should be done in the next update.

This is excellent!  I'm sure users will appreciate the improvement.

Is auto monitor mute, when mic is turned on going to be possible?

Quote
By the way, why do you listen your station through Monitor instead of using the Main device directly?

This is standard operating procedure for any station I worked at. We usually listened to the monitor audio from the console. The transmitter feed and off air were only check form time to time. Of course they had all the technology in place, visual indications etc and all monitored audio was muted when you turned on the microphone. We also has alarms that warned of problems with the on air feed and transmitter.

In my setup, I may have a receiver on but have to keep the volume level very low, other wise I will have feed back when I open the mic. (a problem now.. but monitor mute, will fix this)  I also have a slight time delay between the monitor and transmitter audio, the echo effect can be a bit annoying..

To properly monitor off air, you need a way to turn off the speaker when the mic is used. While it can be done manually, being human, it is something that can easily be forgotten. To solve, using only RB, it would make things a bit more complicated from your side (programing). If you wanted to do it with RB, the program would need to send a signal to for example to a serial port that would make a pin go high (a +voltage) when the mic was turned on.. Then a transistor or low current relay could use this voltage to switch and control ext hardware. Examples, it could be used to switch off speakers when the mic is turned on and/or turn on the on an air light.

Casey


Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 04, 2012, 08:02:15 AM
Dmitry

I did not participate too much at Beta RB bug discovery becouse my father was very ill.
My father died today.

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 04, 2012, 08:19:53 AM
Extremely sorry to hear that

Take care
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 04, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
pety
I'm sorry to hear that too... :( Be strong.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on December 04, 2012, 01:26:39 PM
Pety:
  I'm also sorry to read that sad news. All my condolences.

DJSoft:
   I am running RB beta 2 than 3 for days now without trouble, I just have be carefull with DTMF it sometime does not detect. Will install beta 4 later
Quote
Playlist Generator Pro command-line
That is great news, also something I was looing far as a workarround to a too long time generation

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 04, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
   I am running RB beta 2 than 3 for days now without trouble, I just have be carefull with DTMF it sometime does not detect. Will install beta 4 later
How often it's unable to detect a tone, and can it be reproduced (eg. it doesn't detect a particular mix)?

That is great news, also something I was looing far as a workarround to a too long time generation
Long generation was also fixed in this version :) Not it's seconds instead of minutes... But it can still be long enough in some cases.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 04, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
Re playlist Generator Pro

Do you have a timescale for adding filter criteria for Gender, Genre and rating rather than just searching the "comments" field ?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 04, 2012, 03:11:49 PM
It will be added in one of 4.8.x updates (after 4.8.0 is out of beta). Couple of months I think.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djwolf on December 04, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Dmitry

I did not participate too much at Beta RB bug discovery becouse my father was very ill.
My father died today.


:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
pety
I'm sorry to hear that too... :( Be strong.
I am sooo sorry to hear that. I am going through something similar myself.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 05, 2012, 02:01:11 AM
Thanks to all!
Tommorow will be the funerals.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 05, 2012, 11:17:11 AM
Right - Windows 8 machine has arrive  8) Any reccomendations, do's or don't before I install RB?

Now where the hell is the control panel............... ???
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 05, 2012, 11:32:48 AM
Nothing special... just install it :)

Control panel can be opened from Explorer (press Win+E) or press Win+R, enter "control" and click Enter.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 05, 2012, 11:40:35 AM
Or right click - show all apps !

I would assume that you would recommend to uninstall as many apps as I can?

Obviously looks strange to start with - like an iPad running windows 7  ;D
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 05, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
If there are 3rd party software installed, yes, remove it. I wouldn't recommend uninstalling software which came with Windows or disable services unless you're 100% sure what you're doing.

The UI of Win8 is not designed for desktops IMO... That's why I think keeping Win7 for now :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 05, 2012, 02:57:04 PM
Just put an SSD in the new PC - WOW !
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 05, 2012, 05:28:22 PM
There is a display issue in the left panel if you have set a higher than normal (>100% dpi) and increased the font size to say 12pt

See attached
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 05, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
This one may be my fault  ???

If I set the Main Sound Card to NO DEVICE and set the Monitor Soundcard [WASAPI] (Realtek High Def....)

It sound terrible, break ups etc

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 06, 2012, 12:14:49 AM
Right - Windows 8 machine has arrive  8) Any reccomendations, do's or don't before I install RB?

Now where the hell is the control panel............... ???

Dave, if you are not using a touch screen, you my find Start8 from Stardock a worth while addition. It only costs $4.99 and puts back what MS should not have left out of windows 8. I did beta testing of Start8 and find it to be very worth while.. Saves me a lot of time in trying to figure out how to do things with Win8.

More info here: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8 (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8)

Other wise, from my own personal experience playing with the beta and MSDN releases, Win8 is very much the same as Win7, with a few performance improvements under the hood. I never had any problems with installing programs and was able to use Win7 drivers when required.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 06, 2012, 03:22:50 AM
dave-t
Yes, it was already reported before - the next release will fix it.

Regarding Monitor sound card - you have to use Main card and then choose to use or not to use the Monitor one. I think program should prevent using monitor when Main device is not selected.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 06, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
To night I made some changes to my setup.

For your info here what I changed:

Computer memory from 4GB to 8GB..
No gain here yet still running 32bit Vista - Win7 64 bit upgrade coming in the near future.

Changed transmitters...  whats special or different here is that this is a USB FM transmitter. (gov certified)
The audio & power for this unit are handled on USB. RadioBOSS is using it as the main soundcard.

So now I have 3 soundcards running on RadioBOSS..

FM transmitter - [WASAPI] 2- USB Audio
           Monitor - SoundMax Integrated Audio
           Preview - USB Audio Device

I was a bit concerned about how the microphone would work as it is still using SoundMax Integrated Audio soundcard.
The answer is it work just fine..

RadioBoss survived it all and is working fine!  :)

Casey

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 06, 2012, 03:52:23 AM
dave-t
Yes, it was already reported before - the next release will fix it.

Regarding Monitor sound card - you have to use Main card and then choose to use or not to use the Monitor one. I think program should prevent using monitor when Main device is not selected.

I am assuming therefore that I have to add another sound card so that I can listen to track via the music library? I have simple USB sound cards lying around
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 06, 2012, 04:12:50 AM
Hi Casey

The main benefit of Win 8 to me is the "graphical" start menu. I am registered blind and find the large icons much easier than the old style start menu.

Now that I have have had a chance to work with Win8 I find it much easier and have added the control panel and other regularly used programs to the start menu. There are significant performance improvements which is always good.

Start8 does look good so maybe a worthwhile investment.

I was wondering one thing though - what is the smallest processor that RB can run on? I need to think about a back up machine at some point and was wondering if I could get away with an Atom based processor ? My station will be internet based with no presenter

Regards

Dave

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on December 06, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
     
Quote
Christian:
I am running RB beta 2 than 3 for days now without trouble, I just have be carefull with DTMF it sometime does not detect. Will install beta 4 later

DJSoft:
How often it's unable to detect a tone, and can it be reproduced (eg. it doesn't detect a particular mix)?
Here is the file http://db.tt/zMMuucv4

The issue is that it goes through strereo tools than broadcasted in mp3 at 320kb/s. I than use a second instance of RB (different Windows session) for ad management. It listen to the stream, detect the DTMF and replace by the apropriate audio and broadcast to Icecast to listeners without compression this time.

I use it that way as I expect to run more thant one RB for ad management and this way it only requires one instance of stereotool to save CPU.

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: radiodungog on December 06, 2012, 06:50:03 AM
Has the time & Weather announcements been included in the latest beta version?

Cheers Gazza
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 06, 2012, 07:46:00 AM

Quote
Joshua
Ability to use DSP for microphone will be added, it's already planned. Should be in one of the 4.8.x updates.

Thanks, nice to hear  :)

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 06, 2012, 03:39:38 PM
Hi Casey

The main benefit of Win 8 to me is the "graphical" start menu. I am registered blind and find the large icons much easier than the old style start menu.

Now that I have have had a chance to work with Win8 I find it much easier and have added the control panel and other regularly used programs to the start menu. There are significant performance improvements which is always good.

Start8 does look good so maybe a worthwhile investment.

I was wondering one thing though - what is the smallest processor that RB can run on? I need to think about a back up machine at some point and was wondering if I could get away with an Atom based processor ? My station will be internet based with no presenter

Regards

Dave

Hi Dave..

I understand..

A nice big touch screen maybe something for the future.. :)

I'd seen radio station setups running with touch screens... very cool.. (other than the finger prints) 
I wonder how well RB would adapt to touch screens.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 06, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
First, I'm still operating in what I call the basic or simple mode. I have not had time to master playlists, yet.. :(

Here is a problem I have noticed, when working in what I call, operator assisted mode..
ie..  Auto mode but from time to time I may use [right click] on song in play list and select [Play next]..

Doing this can cause the Scheduler to missing events


Setup

Running with the Shuffle button engaged, aprox 1100 songs in the list.

When I manually select a song to play next...

- RadioBOSS inserts the scheduled tracks in the playlist (after the current playing track).

- The current song finishes and RadioBOSS skips to the next song you have selected.

- The scheduled track are not played

- These scheduled tracks remain in the play list.

Can RB be made to finish playing the scheduled tracks, before playing the next track selected?

Casey

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 06, 2012, 04:00:29 PM

I'd seen radio station setups running with touch screens... very cool.. (other than the finger prints) 
I wonder how well RB would adapt to touch screens.

Casey

If someone wants to send me one I will try it  ;D

There are a couple of touch screen systems out there - quite expensive though - ok for a large FM station but way over the top for an internet station.

RB has made significant improves and is now very "accessible" for which I would like to thanks the developers. (just needs nice bright control buttons to polish it off  ;) )

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 06, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
If someone wants to send me one I will try it  ;D

Me too!   :)
I'm just a poor old senior living on my government pension. That doesn't go very far. :(

Quote
(just needs nice bright control buttons to polish it off  ;) )

If you are referring to the buttons at bottom of the play list.. Play, Stop, SHFL etc..  I agree, even with my fairly good eyesight, I sometimes have trouble seeing if a button is selected.. Some real contrast - (colour difference) would be appreciated.  ;)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 07, 2012, 04:22:51 AM
I was a bit concerned about how the microphone would work as it is still using SoundMax Integrated Audio soundcard.
The answer is it work just fine..

RadioBoss survived it all and is working fine!  :)
Very good! By the way you shouldn't worry about integrated sound cards. First ones were bad, but now they work fine mostly.

I am assuming therefore that I have to add another sound card so that I can listen to track via the music library? I have simple USB sound cards lying around
Yes, if you have another card better to use it. If you have integrated 5.1 or 7.1 card you can use channel mapping feature, eg. playlist (Main) goes to Front speakers, pre-listen (Music Library, track tool, etc) goes to Rear speakers. This is set up via Settings->Playback.

I was wondering one thing though - what is the smallest processor that RB can run on? I need to think about a back up machine at some point and was wondering if I could get away with an Atom based processor ? My station will be internet based with no presenter
If computer can run Windows XP or better - RB can work on it. I know people using Atom PC's with RB on their FM station, so it's fine. In rare case the sound may be broken - open Settings->Playback click Change for the main sound card and increase playback buffer size.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 07, 2012, 04:49:57 AM
A nice big touch screen maybe something for the future.. :)

I'd seen radio station setups running with touch screens... very cool.. (other than the finger prints) 
I wonder how well RB would adapt to touch screens.
Currently I don't feel like I want a touch screen on a desktop... It requires keeping hands in the air all the time.
RB will behave fine with it when touch screens become popular enough :)

Here is a problem I have noticed, when working in what I call, operator assisted mode..
ie..  Auto mode but from time to time I may use [right click] on song in play list and select [Play next]..

Doing this can cause the Scheduler to missing events
...
Can RB be made to finish playing the scheduled tracks, before playing the next track selected?
Interesting. It's a sort of 'race condition' problem. This will be fixed somehow... I need to think about better resolution.

Here is the file http://db.tt/zMMuucv4

The issue is that it goes through strereo tools than broadcasted in mp3 at 320kb/s. I than use a second instance of RB (different Windows session) for ad management. It listen to the stream, detect the DTMF and replace by the apropriate audio and broadcast to Icecast to listeners without compression this time.

I use it that way as I expect to run more thant one RB for ad management and this way it only requires one instance of stereotool to save CPU.
When the stream doesn't go through StereoTool how good the detection works? Maybe ST is the issue?

Has the time & Weather announcements been included in the latest beta version?
Not yet, but those will be added in 4.8 for sure.

RB has made significant improves and is now very "accessible" for which I would like to thanks the developers. (just needs nice bright control buttons to polish it off  ;) )
Thanks :) New buttons is the next stage of UI improvement, I think it will be done in January.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 07, 2012, 04:57:08 AM
An update on my soundcard setup..

Here is an interesting problem I have run into.

On the USB soundcard I use for preListen.. The audio sounds good when I first start up but after a few hours the audio out from this gets very distorted. I tried a few things and finally fixed the audio by changing the the sound card for PreListen in RB to another sound card then shutting down RB, restarting and reselecting the USB SC and got it working without distortion. 2 or 3 hours later it was back to being distorted. No problems with the integrated sc or the USB sc in the transmitter.

At first I was blaming this in either the USB sc or windows. I'm wondering now if this is the case.

After I shut down RB this early morning, I listened to some log files in Radio Logger (which has been running for many hours) and the audio sounded fine. It was using the USB soundcard for it's output.

Casey..
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 07, 2012, 05:06:06 AM
Re soundcard

Cheap USB sound cards only cost about £3 so I will add a couple of those rather than mapping the outputs.

Re UI improvements

I will add a couple of request to "Feature Requests"

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 07, 2012, 06:21:44 AM
Casey
Just to make sure - are you talking about Prelisten or Monitor sound card? Pre-listen card used to preview tracks (eg right-click->Prelisten), and to play tracks in Music Library, Track Tool and other modules. It's not supposed to be used for 2-hours playback.

dave-t
Yes, USB cards is a good solution, but I don't have enough statistics about their reliability.
Another option would be to use an ASIO sound card like E-Mu for main playback and use integrated audio for prelisten.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 07, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
Casey
Just to make sure - are you talking about Prelisten or Monitor sound card? Pre-listen card used to preview tracks (eg right-click->Prelisten), and to play tracks in Music Library, Track Tool and other modules.

I was talking about Prelisten (Preview) USB soundcard.
(No problem with monitor using internal sc or the feed via USB transmitter.)

Quote
It's not supposed to be used for 2-hours playback.

I was referring  to using Prelisten 2 hours later.. not for that long a duration.. :)

Update..

The last report was after running RB and the computer for an extended time, over 24 hours. I will not always run for this long a time, this was for testing. The area I cover has few people awake in the wee hours of the morning, other than me ..   I could always do an auto reboot during this time of morning.

The next  test, today .... I have only been running for 7+ hours, since the last computer reboot. The Prelisten soundcard is still working fine - no distorted audio.

What ever the problem was/is would appears related to something that changes over time.

I have also considered that this is a very cheap USB sc, this could be part of the problem. In future I will try some higher quality sc.. I'm sure I have some around here, likely out in my shed but with no heat, I don't plan on spending much time searching out there when it's   -20 °C .. :)

This current setup was just for testing in this configuration. The USB transmitter is a backup.  I wanted to see how it would work with RB. It worked well and proved to be viable.  I will be changing to my higher power transmitter, for the Christmas season special event transmissions.

Having a separate soundcard for PrelListen and Monitor is very handy. If the cheap USB sound cards can be used, it makes this something most can afford. I plan to have this capability when I have the computer setup in a more permanent location.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 08, 2012, 04:07:49 AM
Update on the PreListen Soundcard distortion problem

So today after 8 1/2 hours it came back (distorted audio on PreListen sc)

I'm not sure if it happened because of how long the programs were running or due to what I was doing on the system..

Here is the series of events.. I was showing the RB setup to a friend..

- I showed how PreListen worked.. played parts of a few mp3 files.. the audio sound fine.

- Next I was showing how RadioLogger works..  (it is uses the same soundcard for play back as PreListen)

-  played a log file on RL - the audio was distorted.

- went back to RB and tried PreListen again, the audio was distorted in RB.

 - I shut down RadioLogger & then RadioBOSS ... then Restarted, first RadioLogger, then  RadioBOSS.

After this the audio for both PreListen and RadioLogger play back were working fine.

5 hours later and all is still working fine... :)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 08, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
So when 2 programs use the same sound card, sound becomes broken? For me it looks like sound card's driver problem. I've just tried the same setup and no distorted sound... Is it USB sound card you're trying on? Can you try the same on integrated audio?

I have also considered that this is a very cheap USB sc, this could be part of the problem. In future I will try some higher quality sc.. I'm sure I have some around here, likely out in my shed but with no heat, I don't plan on spending much time searching out there when it's   -20 °C .. :)
Yes, cheap sound card can be a problem... Probably it just doesn't like to be "initialized" for a long time. RB can reset that of course, a kind of workaround for cheap cards :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 08, 2012, 04:01:22 PM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.5
Changed:
- bugs fixed in Ad Scheduler
- bugs fixed in Playlist Generator Pro
- CPU meter removed [actually moved to the Debug Window: Ctrl+D]
- added option to disable "Repeat Playlist" button (Settings->Controls)
- changed notice about upcoming scheduler event
- changed DTMF handling [details below]
- Mute button now only mutes Monitor sound card
- Monitor sound card automatically muted when MIC activated
- MIC button moved to bottom right corner under playlist window
- removed MIC button from toolbar

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.5_beta.exe

How DTMF works now:
Event start time is taken into account: DTMF is checked 5 times prior event start time (all options like Repeat, Days of week and others are considered).
If event was started by DTMF it won't start on its start time. If there was no DTMF signal detected (for whatever reason) - event will launch on its start time as usual.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 08, 2012, 06:29:43 PM


Quote
Joshua
There shouldn't be any delay... Please post a screenshot of Microphone/LineIn settings here. This will help to find what could be a problem.

Hallo,

here is a Screenshot, PTT enabled (then by push 1-2 sec. hang´s), when disabled it´s ok.

Hello,

the same Problem in 4.8.0.5

Grretz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 08, 2012, 06:36:41 PM
Looking better  ;)  :)

Love the larger font in the now playing window

Great improvement to the info for the next schedule

The change in background color is however not alerting me to that a schedule is due

DPI issue still exists in left window

I have just installed it on an old Atom laptop with 1gb of memory - Impressed !

All Music, playlists and database now running from a NAS box. I will try batch playlist generation in the next couple of days
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 09, 2012, 06:13:59 AM
here is a Screenshot, PTT enabled (then by push 1-2 sec. hang´s), when disabled it´s ok.
the same Problem in 4.8.0.5
[/quote]
Is your setup the same as you posted here http://www.djsoft.net/smf/index.php?topic=3165.msg10347#msg10347 ?
A quick test didn't confirm the problem.

The change in background color is however not alerting me to that a schedule is due
You can also make the flashing longer than the default 10 seconds: open Settings->General and adjust the "Scheduler event flashing time".

DPI issue still exists in left window
Can you please post screenshot of a problem? Probably you've set too large font size, and it doesn't fit there...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 09, 2012, 06:52:24 AM
@djsoft,

yes, setup is the same

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 09, 2012, 08:02:40 AM
@djsoft,

yes, setup is the same
It's really strange... Same setup here works fine. Can you try restarting your PC and try again?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 09, 2012, 09:23:51 AM
Font is set to Verdana 11pt Bold - screenshot attached

Setting the "flashing" alert for longer - already set to 30 seconds - would not make any difference.

even sitting the normal distance from the PC I am unable to see any "details". Colors are fine but there would have to be a significant difference changing a background color for it to be noticed. Quite simply, the red flashing text is great ONCE your attention has been drawn to it but it needs something quite bold to attract your attention in the first place - hence my request to flash the background color of the clock  ;)

Any such feature should have the facility to enable/disable as it is important NOT to impose an accessibility function on those who do not need it or want it.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 09, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
@djsoft,

yes, setup is the same
It's really strange... Same setup here works fine. Can you try restarting your PC and try again?

Hello,

after PC restart it´s ok.
Sorry :-\

Greetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 10, 2012, 04:45:15 AM
So when 2 programs use the same sound card, sound becomes broken? For me it looks like sound card's driver problem. I've just tried the same setup and no distorted sound... Is it USB sound card you're trying on? Can you try the same on integrated audio?

So far the problem is only with the USB Soundcard.

I have changed the setup so now the PreListen is using the integrated audio and monitor is using the USB soundcard. With this set up I have lost the monitor audio a couple of time and restarting RB was the only way to get it working again. The PreListen has been just fine.

Quote
Yes, cheap sound card can be a problem... Probably it just doesn't like to be "initialized" for a long time. RB can reset that of course, a kind of workaround for cheap cards :)

It looks very much like the USB soundcard it the problem. :( 
Tomorrow I will be installing a PCI soundcard in the computer, we will see if this fixes the problem.

- - - - - - - - -
Here is one for you.. a little funny, after the fact. The positive side, this is not RB fault but this sure had me wondering/confused for a bit.

I picked up my headphones that were connected to the USB soundcard.. music stopped - RB hung up, the only thing that was working was the time & playback counters.. nothing else worked. The USB transmitter I was using for testing on this setup shut down.. no carrier. What the....

I stopped a moment to think this situation over.. At 65, sometimes things don't come so fast.. finally the light bulb lite up.. I had to be that static some how went from the metal band on the headphones to the computer.. I never thought the metal band was actually connected to the cable.. Static electricity is a common problem during the winter, where I live, due to the air being very dry in the house. I am usually very careful about this but I goofed this time.

I tried restarting RB but that didn't get things going..  I did find that in RB the playback devices had all changed..  Add to this the computer audio had been muted and the USB transmitter still was not working..  At this point I was almost ready to accept that I had fried something. Anyway, to sum this up, all is well and working fine after shutting down the computer and restart.  :)

So the moral of the story,

1) - a little static charge can sure screw things up.
2) - if all else fails, shutting down and restarting the computer can fix a lot of problems!

Computers can be so much fun!  LOL

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 10, 2012, 05:05:13 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.5
Changed:
- bugs fixed in Ad Scheduler
- bugs fixed in Playlist Generator Pro
- CPU meter removed [actually moved to the Debug Window: Ctrl+D]
- added option to disable "Repeat Playlist" button (Settings->Controls)
- changed notice about upcoming scheduler event
- changed DTMF handling [details below]
- Mute button now only mutes Monitor sound card
- Monitor sound card automatically muted when MIC activated
- MIC button moved to bottom right corner under playlist window
- removed MIC button from toolbar

No problems yet with RadioBOSS 4.8.0.5..

Mute button and Mic mute - excellent  :)

MIC button moved to bottom right corner - great idea, much easier to work with! :)

Thanks .. Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 10, 2012, 06:13:49 AM
Font is set to Verdana 11pt Bold - screenshot attached
OK, this will be fixed.

even sitting the normal distance from the PC I am unable to see any "details". Colors are fine but there would have to be a significant difference changing a background color for it to be noticed. Quite simply, the red flashing text is great ONCE your attention has been drawn to it but it needs something quite bold to attract your attention in the first place - hence my request to flash the background color of the clock  ;)
Hmm... It can flash with red background (but that looks too aggressive), but still in the "Coming up next" box. I really don't think scheduler should be in the Clock at all - doesn't make much sense, and it duplicates the flashing in Coming up next box. 2 flashing boxes is just too much. I think a setting will be added to change the way it flashes, as you proposed.

I have changed the setup so now the PreListen is using the integrated audio and monitor is using the USB soundcard. With this set up I have lost the monitor audio a couple of time and restarting RB was the only way to get it working again. The PreListen has been just fine.
Yes, and again problem with USB card :( Looks like those cards are not designed to work for extended periods of time.

Tomorrow I will be installing a PCI soundcard in the computer, we will see if this fixes the problem.
That would be interesting. Let me know how it goes.

So the moral of the story,

1) - a little static charge can sure screw things up.
2) - if all else fails, shutting down and restarting the computer can fix a lot of problems!

Computers can be so much fun!  LOL
Well, that's the happy-end of your story :) In the past I've killed several hardware pieces with static. Some of them stopped working right away, some - just started to work incorrectly. It's a good idea to touch something like metal pipe to get rid of static before working with hardware :) (I've seen special pipes for those purposes in server rooms).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 10, 2012, 06:25:11 AM
Font is set to Verdana 11pt Bold - screenshot attached
OK, this will be fixed.

Thank you

even sitting the normal distance from the PC I am unable to see any "details". Colors are fine but there would have to be a significant difference changing a background color for it to be noticed. Quite simply, the red flashing text is great ONCE your attention has been drawn to it but it needs something quite bold to attract your attention in the first place - hence my request to flash the background color of the clock  ;)
Hmm... It can flash with red background (but that looks too aggressive), but still in the "Coming up next" box. I really don't think scheduler should be in the Clock at all - doesn't make much sense, and it duplicates the flashing in Coming up next box. 2 flashing boxes is just too much. I think a setting will be added to change the way it flashes, as you proposed.


Looking aggressive is EXACTLY what I am looking for - BUT you really need to be able to enable or disable this feature if you don't like it or want it. If you are unable to do that, then don't do it as the other 99.999% of customers must be given priority  ;)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 10, 2012, 08:24:46 AM
Seem to be having problems running Playlist Generator Pro as a schedule to save a playlist

I am using the command run PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe -preset=50s -out=R:\Playlist\50s.m3u8

Nothing seems to happen

I have tried doing this at the command prompt and again nothing seems happens ? I am probably doing something wrong but not sure what ?

the preset is fine and generates a playlist if run from the scheduler directly

Regards

dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 10, 2012, 10:31:53 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.6
Changes:
- added TTS (text to speech) engine [details below]
- network streams are now restarted on error
- DTMF detection quality improved
- DTMF now can be checked on URL streams (Settings->Microphone/Line.In->DTMF)
- Music Library: added option to batch remove RadioBOSS additional tag
- pre-listen can be used for network streams
- Fade In now applied for network streams
- new scheduler commands: [streamarchive on] and [streamarchive off] to control the Stream Archive feature
- playlists now can contain folder paths, eg. D:\Folder\- RadioBOSS will play all files from folder

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.6_beta.exe

Text To Speech can be used to say any text. While it's not for professional radio stations, there are many situations when it can be useful, eg parties, fun radio stations, etc :) It can also say current time and day.

Syntax: TTS=+N;text
+N (or -N) is talk speed, can be from -9 to +9. Zero must have a sign too (either + or -).
text - a text you want program to speak. Can contain XML tags as described here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717077(v=vs.85).aspx and hour/minute/day macro:
%h - hour
%m - minute
%s - second
%D - day
%M - month
%dw - week day

Example:
TTS=+1;<EMPH>it's %dw %Dth of %M the time is %h hours and %m minutes thank you for listening our cool radio</EMPH>
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 10, 2012, 11:19:59 AM
Looking aggressive is EXACTLY what I am looking for - BUT you really need to be able to enable or disable this feature if you don't like it or want it. If you are unable to do that, then don't do it as the other 99.999% of customers must be given priority  ;)
An option to make scheduler notice more "aggressive" will be added in the next version.

Regarding playlist generation, your syntax seems correct. This will be checked. Also try it on the latest version which was just released.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 10, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Thank you

Tried it on the new version with the same effect. I cannot see any error logs ......

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 10, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
The path should be full, not just .exe:
Code: [Select]
run C:\Program Files (x86)\RadioBOSS\PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe -preset=50s -out=R:\Playlist\50s.m3u8
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 10, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
Nope - sorry that does not work either  ???

Tried at the command prompt too with no joy

Do we need to specify the path for the preset ?

Regards

Dave

Also tried simplifying it to run C:\Program Files (x86)\RadioBOSS\PlaylistGeneratorPro.exe -preset=50s -out=c:\50s.m3u8

with no joy ?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 10, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
No path needed for preset. Your command looks fine... Probably it's a bug in the "run" command processing - will be checked soon.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 10, 2012, 02:17:30 PM
RB 4.8.0.6 does not recognize my path for Libraries.
No Libraries displayed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 10, 2012, 02:52:03 PM
RB 4.8.0.6 does not recognize my path for Libraries.
No Libraries displayed.

I can confirm that....
Also did not work in 4.8.0.5
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 10, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Hi, I have several questions / requests for improvement:


-still present the idea of weather and climate announcements? (the new function works only for English. including Microsoft has no support for reading texts in Spanish).

-the new function is streaming attempt reconnection can cause a problem if you enter the address of a song stored on the Internet at the end of this, it is found "a loss of connection", and will replay.

-personally I still need even preload buffer (loading buffer before playing).

-Selector Search improvements (show all results, and other improvements I suggested above).

- DTMF only be played when there are five minutes or less to start an event (for a delay may occur for example by streaming, and if the preset time step does not play).

-Maybe it would be useful to search for songs stored on Internet servers and add them to the list (function recently introduced VirtualDJ), using FTP servers (Songr scheduling (https://sites.google.com/site/getsongr/ ) is a good example of what I mean).

Thanks!. :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 10, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
With respect to the announcements of the time and temperature so I'd suggest working ZaraRadio:

Eg:

* Climate:

1-by Weather Watcher software: automatically updates a txt with the temperature of the city.
2-RadioBoss reads a txt temperature: eg 24 ° c.
3-then the program plays the file 24.mp3
4-The program reads a txt moisture: eg 50%.
5-then the program plays the moisture-50.mp3

* Time:
1-hour program reads the system.
2-then play the files related to the current time: eg 5am.mp3 and 00min.mp3
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 11, 2012, 02:11:30 AM
dave-t
The error with "run" command confirmed - it doesn't start Playlist Generator Pro with the new parameters. Please wait for the next update, it will be fixed there.

pety
Library files are searched only in standard folder, eg.
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\djsoft.net\RadioBOSS_430382782\Database
Are you sure you have libraries there and they are not displayed?

-still present the idea of weather and climate announcements? (the new function works only for English. including Microsoft has no support for reading texts in Spanish).
Yes, it's supposed to be added in one of the 4.8.x versions.

-the new function is streaming attempt reconnection can cause a problem if you enter the address of a song stored on the Internet at the end of this, it is found "a loss of connection", and will replay.
Looks like a bug. Thanks for reporting.

-personally I still need even preload buffer (loading buffer before playing).
This is planned for the newer versions.

- DTMF only be played when there are five minutes or less to start an event (for a delay may occur for example by streaming, and if the preset time step does not play).
Please give more information on this one.

-Maybe it would be useful to search for songs stored on Internet servers and add them to the list (function recently introduced VirtualDJ), using FTP servers (Songr scheduling (https://sites.google.com/site/getsongr/ ) is a good example of what I mean).
Yes, it's a good idea. Probably will be added in the future.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 11, 2012, 03:09:03 AM
I appreciate all you do for a better RB.
BUT I would like that Libraries to have MY PATH not of the system. I am sure that you can understand and you can see the importance of this request.

I like the width of PGPro Preset.
Second request:
I also like a large width for Categories Panel. Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 11, 2012, 04:13:17 AM
dave-t
The error with "run" command confirmed - it doesn't start Playlist Generator Pro with the new parameters. Please wait for the next update, it will be fixed there.


Thank you  :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 11, 2012, 05:48:54 AM
BUT I would like that Libraries to have MY PATH not of the system. I am sure that you can understand and you can see the importance of this request.
I know, and you're not the only one who wants this... It will be changed in the future versions.

I like the width of PGPro Preset.
Second request:
I also like a large width for Categories Panel. Thanks for understanding.
OK, wait for the new version, it will be improved there.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: StreamJamz on December 11, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
is there anyway to have a manual option to auto restart a feed that's scheduled. eg. attempt connecting say 5 times in the next 10 minutes.
I have a user who broadcast from home and RB is set to connect at 4am but 5 mins after its disconnected. can't RB attempt a reconnection since that user is on a schedule?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 11, 2012, 02:30:41 PM
Action Radio 95.1
It's possible, but I don't think it will be included soon - this case is not common and there are too few users who benefit from it...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 11, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
Yes, and again problem with USB card :( Looks like those cards are not designed to work for extended periods of time.

Now running with two internal soundcards on RadioBOSS 4.8.0.6 beta. So far this setup is working well. I did not get the changer over done until late so will run it for a day or so to see if it is stable. I found two older PCI soundcards @ the shop. I have room for one more in this computer, so may try that next, three internal soundcards, well maybe.  ;)

Question, re PreListen.

We had talked earlier of muting the Monitor audio when using PreListen. Another option could be reducing it to a much lover level (could be user adjustable). Was this forgotten or still on the to-do list?

Thanks   Casey

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 11, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Yes, and again problem with USB card :( Looks like those cards are not designed to work for extended periods of time.

Now running with two internal soundcards on RadioBOSS 4.8.0.6 beta. So far this setup is working well. I did not get the changer over done until late so will run it for a day or so to see if it is stable. I found two older PCI soundcards @ the shop. I have room for one more in this computer, so may try that next, three internal soundcards, well maybe.  ;)

Thanks   Casey

It looks like this problem is not totally the fault of the USB soundcard.  :(

This only effected the Monitor audio.. otherwise, RB kept working and we stayed on the air. Also, PreListen was also working OK.

I went out for a while and when I got back home the monitor sound had failed.. Total run time with this setup was less than 3.5 hours. It worked fine for about 2.5 hours, before I went out.  I don't know exactly when it failed or what happened.

- I shut down and restarted RB a couple of time but this did not fix the problem.
After restarting RB, the error in schedule log showed  'Monitor'  Device ini error: No description (-1)

- Rebooting the computer was required to get thing working properly again.

In this setup:
- Monitor audio is using the second soundcard, a creative sound blaster PCI.
- PreListen is using the integrated sc
- main soundcard - USB transmitter
(So I am actually using three soundcards)

The difference this time, from using the USB sc for monitor or PreListen,  was instead of distorted audio, I had a sound like a motor running coming out of the monitor speakers, no monitor audio could be heard from RB..

It looks like the soundcards are crashing... the only way I can fix the problem is to reboot the computer so the sc is reinitialized.

I have it working fine again, I will investigate this further later in the day.. The next things to try will be to take the USB transmitter out of the mix to see if that helps, even though it has not given any problems. This will  get me back to using only two soundcards. Then after that, if necessary, swap the monitor & PreListen soundcards to see if that helps..

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Nelson on December 11, 2012, 08:43:26 PM

- DTMF only be played when there are five minutes or less to start an event (for a delay may occur for example by streaming, and if the preset time step does not play).

Quote
Please give more information on this one.
The premise is as follows:
normally when using a streaming introduces a delay of about 30 seconds.
The new option to play an event using a DTMF tone and time allotted for the reproduction of the event, has a problem:
- If DTMF tone is detected within 5 minutes before the event it will be played correctly, if not, whether the tone is detected only 1 minute after the preset time, and will not play.
the problem here is that many times by introducing a delay streaming and this may cause delay tone detection and thus be detected by such a minute after the preset for that event, which the scheduler will not execute the event.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 12, 2012, 03:27:03 AM
Question, re PreListen.

We had talked earlier of muting the Monitor audio when using PreListen. Another option could be reducing it to a much lover level (could be user adjustable). Was this forgotten or still on the to-do list?

OK, on this.. I forgot.. I can use the mute button to disable monitor audio while using PreListen amd Voice Track recorder  :)

Up date on soundcards

I ran for 7 hours, without problems, on the previous setup that the monitor soundcard crashed. Isn't fun with things that are intermittent!

I had planed on eliminating the USB transmitter as it was just a test to see how that configuration would work. I have now changed back to a conventional transmitter fed from a soundcard.

I now am using only the two internal soundcards. The Soundblaster is now the main sc for output to the transmitter while the integrated sc handles monitoring and PreListen. I am still considering a 3rd internal sc later but we'll run it this way for a few days first. I want to see how the Soundblaster card holds up in this arrangement as it was the sc that crashed before.

Voice Track track problem

The play button no longer works! No playback, nothing happens when I press the playback button.

Suggestion

There is lots of space on the top toolbar. Could we have a few more buttons to make some functions more easily accessible? I would like to see Voice Track, Insert voice track and Shuffle. Maybe this could be user configurable, like the Firefox toolbar.  ;)

Thanks... Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 12, 2012, 05:17:07 AM
Casey
When you restart the program and sound card still doesn't work until you restart the PC, that looks like a sound card (or its driver) problem.
You can try turning on the "Disable 32-bit floating point output" option in the Settings->Playback->Miscellaneous.
The 3 sound card setup is being tested here now, I'll post the results soon.

The Monitor is not muted automatically on Pre-listen - do you still need this feature?

Voice Track recorded uses the "Pre-listen" sound card for playback. Make sure you have it selected correctly in RB.

Toolbar customization will be added in the future, the toolbar will be reworked completely... The one we have now has 16x16 buttons, which are too small, probably change those to 24x24 or even 32x32.

Nelson
But you can try changing the event startup time to account for stream delay. Do you want to extend the 5-minute DTMF detection frame?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 12, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.7
Changes:
- DTMF detection in URL: in case of an error, it will be indicated in the status bar
- fixed: network stream restart feature doesn't restart when stream ended
- code improvements and optimizations
- "Playlist Generator" command moved to the Extra submenu
- UI improvements in Playlist Generator Pro

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.7_beta.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 12, 2012, 01:15:28 PM
Thank you

Will report back as soon as I can  :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 12, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
Runiing the scheduler as a command seems to work well  :)

I will set up some "batch" schedule generations later and see how they go

There is a slight display issue in the "up-next" window which wasn't present - that I can remember - in the previous version

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 12, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
Yes, looks like a bug. Will be fixed in the next update.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 12, 2012, 02:21:51 PM
YES!  I very much like the ability to generate a playlist - works very well

I like the fact that it simply overwrites the previously generated playlist - I don't have to find a way of deleting them  :D

Thank you for a great enhancement - happy bunny  8)

 
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 12, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
4.8.0.7
Library PATH still do not work.
I can understand why I can change Log files path BUT I cannot understand why I cannot change Libraries PATH. That's a mistery.

Thanks for PGPro GUI improvement.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: samdyett on December 13, 2012, 01:41:21 AM
im loving version of radioboss its the most reliable yet im my opinion its dosent freeze or buffer which is great, still testing other feature of there is any problems i will let the forum know :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 13, 2012, 01:41:38 AM
dave-t
Very good :) I you want something else to be added let me know.

pety
The "library" path will be changeable in the next update. This setting will substitute the "Music library file" setting.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 13, 2012, 01:44:39 AM
samdyett
Thank you. Please report bugs and missing features.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 13, 2012, 04:37:29 AM
Very pleased  8) It works very well

Overnight the "management PC" created a number of playlist which were saved to a NAS box. at 09:00 this morning the "play out PC" started to play those playlist.

This is exactly how I want it to work.

I can now look to using a low power PC for play out and a second PC for playlist generation, music library management, ripping, converting and tagging. The second PC will also have a "stand by" small music library and playlist to allow maintenance of the "play out PC" and NAS box.

I have one new request.

In the "view" menu can we have an option to NOT display the "playlist" window as this has now no purpose on my "Management PC" and is simply taking up space.

My priority is now the planned improvements in Playlist Generator Pro to improve the selection criteria. Adding Genre, Gender etc will make the music library management a lot easier as it is not easy to mass tag edit the comment field.

Many thanks for these great developments

Regards

dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 13, 2012, 08:56:31 AM
You can move splitters to resize areas as you need (see the picture attached).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 14, 2012, 12:45:28 AM
Casey
When you restart the program and sound card still doesn't work until you restart the PC, that looks like a sound card (or its driver) problem.
You can try turning on the "Disable 32-bit floating point output" option in the Settings->Playback->Miscellaneous.


It looks more and more like a problem that was some how caused by having the USB soundcards. The setup now, using two internal cards with no USB soundcards attached, has been running very stable.. I did not need to change anything in RB. I have use it this way the past two days.. longest run so far 12 hours +.. No problems..   :)

Running RadioBOSS 4.8.0.7 with no problems in the parts I am using.. 

With regards to soundcards

In [Settings] [Devices]

You might consider changing the wording for what you now call "Main soundcard"
Maybe this should be called the Output soundcard (output to transmitter or Internet)

I was initially confused by this and thought I had to use the main, default soundcard in the computer. Of course, this is not the case. I find it is actually better not to use the computer's main sound card for the output from RadioBOSS. I am using the the second soundcard to feed the transmitter. The main, default soundcard is used for monitor and PreListen. 

At least on this Vista install, the benefit is that the computer volume & mute (in the tray) only control the default soundcard. To control output level of the 2nd card you have to go into the audio properties. This is much better as it can not easily be adjusted.

Quote
The 3 sound card setup is being tested here now, I'll post the results soon.

That's good, I will try that next week and if necessary we can compare notes..

Quote
The Monitor is not muted automatically on Pre-listen - do you still need this feature?

I think this might be appreciated by some.

With regards to muting.. during PreListen, Voice Tracking and mic.

Maybe not all user would use this feature in the same way.  I talked to a friend who also worked on air at a radio station in the past. He told me they never totally muted the monitor audio. Theirs was setup so that when they were previewing tracks or turned on the mic, the monitor audio was reduced to a very low level. Myself, I don't like hearing any background and especially not myself talking when recording voice tracks or on mic live.

One option might be allowing users to set the monitor level for muting? That would come the closer to pleasing everyone.

Other wise, the current setup with the mute button and Mic mute is quite workable.

Quote
Voice Track recorded uses the "Pre-listen" sound card for playback. Make sure you have it selected correctly in RB.

I have this working now. I could have been part of the changing of the soundcard setup.. I may have missed this.. but to be honest, I not sure.. I thought I remember PreListen working.. I will admit to forgetting to change the sc setting in Radiologger   :)

Quote
Toolbar customization will be added in the future, the toolbar will be reworked completely... The one we have now has 16x16 buttons, which are too small, probably change those to 24x24 or even 32x32.

Excellent .. I was thinking the buttons were a bit small but didn't want to ask for too much all at once..  ;D

Thanks... Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 14, 2012, 04:01:35 AM
It looks more and more like a problem that was some how caused by having the USB soundcards. The setup now, using two internal cards with no USB soundcards attached, has been running very stable.. I did not need to change anything in RB. I have use it this way the past two days.. longest run so far 12 hours +.. No problems..   :)
A small test was performed here too: 30+ hours, 3 sound cards (PCI-Express E-Mu; integrated Realtek; $5 USB card). Integrated and USB were used for Main and Monitor respectively, PCI-E card used for Pre-listen.
No problems at all... So I can conclude that some of the USB sound cards are not good enough, or it's something in your system (which makes USB sound cards not work properly). At this point nothing needs to be fixed in RB :)

You might consider changing the wording for what you now call "Main soundcard"
Maybe this should be called the Output soundcard (output to transmitter or Internet)
Probably you're right. I've added it to the "to-do" list, but I think this goes to the next version (4.9) as this change will require change in the documentation, screenshots etc.

At least on this Vista install, the benefit is that the computer volume & mute (in the tray) only control the default soundcard. To control output level of the 2nd card you have to go into the audio properties. This is much better as it can not easily be adjusted.
It's not necessary to use Default sound card for Main. It's just the default setting after installation.
Settings in the tray can control any sound card too, you need to click "Mixer" link at the bottom. But yes, it's not that easy to mute the non-default sound by accident, which is good.

One option might be allowing users to set the monitor level for muting? That would come the closer to pleasing everyone.
I just checked out the request list and there's a similar thing was asked previously. The idea is to make 2 volume controls in the PFL player: the one we already have now (it controls PFL volume) and add volume control for Monitor.
This should be good.

I have this working now. I could have been part of the changing of the soundcard setup.. I may have missed this.. but to be honest, I not sure.. I thought I remember PreListen working.. I will admit to forgetting to change the sc setting in Radiologger   :)
All RadioBOSS modules share the same settings, but RadioLogger/RadioCaster are separate programs and they have their own settings.
Starting from 4.8.0.7 VoiceTrack will produce an error MessageBox when sound card setup is incorrect (instead of  doing nothing as it was).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 14, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.8
Changes:
- fixed voice track recording when using "DirectSound" microphone driver
- folder where Music Library files are stored can be changed now (Settings->General)
- a notice of upcoming scheduler event is now more 'aggressive'
- several minor fixes

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.8_beta.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 14, 2012, 05:13:16 AM
Event Notice

I LIKE THAT - A lot  8)

I am however rather concerned about the Music Database application. after taking files out of iTunes and modifying the tags with RBML the tags became corrupt.

I have spent the past few hours trying different tag editors and have come the the following conclusion

IF tags are written by RBML it appears that nothing else can then read them correctly. Not even looking at the properties in windows or other media players. However RB can.

I sent a file over last night with corrupted Tags and I will send another one shortly whose tags cannot be read by any of my applications except RB  ???

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 14, 2012, 05:43:48 AM
Thank you for mp3 files, those will be checked.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: David on December 14, 2012, 06:15:39 AM
DirectSound working great again in 4.8.0.8  Thanks

David
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 14, 2012, 09:40:59 AM
Thanks for Library path. Works (almost) great.

BUG in PGPro!
When a Library or a Playlist does not exactly match with settings RB will generate a huge loop with something like that :
ERR1: Couldn't find track that fits criteria. Category: "Yanni"
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 14, 2012, 09:49:50 AM
DirectSound working great again in 4.8.0.8  Thanks

David
Indeed, Direct Sound works great for XP Pro SP3.

Is that mean that the paradigma is changed? Not anymore Windows Mixer Control?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 14, 2012, 10:01:06 AM
Add URL...

There is a problem here. The sound from URL is too loud than the other tracks.
I tried to create a "file type" but it didn't work.

Is there any sugestion for a lower URL sound?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 14, 2012, 10:11:54 AM
Does anyone tell me at what and how to use DTMF?

Some scenarios?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 14, 2012, 02:18:44 PM
Is that mean that the paradigma is changed? Not anymore Windows Mixer Control?
It's better to use DirectSound or any other option (if supported) instead of Windows Mixer Control.

Thanks for Library path. Works (almost) great.
What it misses to be completely great? :)

BUG in PGPro!
When a Library or a Playlist does not exactly match with settings RB will generate a huge loop with something like that :
ERR1: Couldn't find track that fits criteria. Category: "Yanni"
Please give more information on this. Do you mean it floods the Log with error messages when it cannot select a track from category? It finally produces a playlist or just endlessly loops?
Anyway. The error message means your template is not correct. There shouldn't be any error messages.

There is a problem here. The sound from URL is too loud than the other tracks.
I tried to create a "file type" but it didn't work.

Is there any sugestion for a lower URL sound?
The next version will make it possible to add a file type for network streams.

Does anyone tell me at what and how to use DTMF?
Usually DTMF is used when you retransmit other station and need to insert your own (eg. regional) commercial blocks. DTMF signals indicate when commercial block starts and ends.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 14, 2012, 03:20:52 PM
For example I have a playlist with 300 tracks and another with 10 tracks. I created a Preset with this two playlists and from settings i checked "Do not repeat artist for" 120 min. Of course the settings are not good for the Preset Category, but it would be necesary only an error mesage, not a huge loop with that error message.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dashford on December 14, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
Is the ability to modify the Segue Editor parameters in real time (i.e., create a segue with the track currently playing) still scheduled to be part of Version 4.8?  Thanks.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 15, 2012, 01:11:17 AM
A small test was performed here too: 30+ hours, 3 sound cards (PCI-Express E-Mu; integrated Realtek; $5 USB card). Integrated and USB were used for Main and Monitor respectively, PCI-E card used for Pre-listen.
No problems at all... So I can conclude that some of the USB sound cards are not good enough, or it's something in your system (which makes USB sound cards not work properly). At this point nothing needs to be fixed in RB :)

Thank you, this is good!  As you say there is always possibilities of differences in computers and even OS setups. I will test a better quality, name brand, USB soundcard later. It is around here somewhere but was miss-placed during some renovations.. My 2 internal soundcard set up is a still running perfectly.  :)

An observation..  There is a delay between the transmitted and monitor audio. This in itself is not unusual.  At the start of the broadcast there is a minor echo but this gradually increases to where,  after 9 hours, the output to transmitter is several words, in a song, ahead of the monitor audio.. Likely nothing but thought I would pass it along.

Casey
MY FM Radio - 106.9
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 15, 2012, 01:43:13 AM
Now running radioboss_4.8.0.8_beta.exe

No problems with the part of the program I am using..

Some ideas and suggestions

Scheduler

1) - Would it be possible to have the Next play time update like the Run in timer?
       This would make it easier to see when the event will actually run and also help when
        adding/changing events for figuring out the time to fit the new even in.

2) - Commands (used in Scheduler)

Could some commands have additional option parameters? 

The commands stop & pause,  stop right in the middle of a song or event playing.
While there may be times when may this is necessary, in  most times it would be better
(sound better) to have this happen more politely..

It would be nice if commands could have an option to be executed after the current song is over.
    ie  /a  for execute after current song/event

3) -  could it be made possible to stack commands, instead of having to create several scheduled
        events? ie Play a PSA + Play sweeper directly after
                         
As I said before, this is coming from the old guy who sees the powers of RadioBOSS without generating play lists etc. 
For me, a playlist, if used, was a piece of paper on the desk.  :)

 I can do most everything I want in the more basic mode.. I just see some ways things might be easier. 
I will learn how to make and use playlists but it looks like I will not have time to dig into this until after the new year.

Voice track recorder

1) - For the suggested File name on saving Voice tracks

Could there be a user option to add a fixed beginning to name.. ie Voice-Track **
or the other option if it could be done, would be to write the ID3 tag with
Artist = Voice-Track and title = file name.

The reason for this is to have Voice Tracks handled properly when played.. Otherwise the file do not play properly,
not having a rule to not fade etc.. they are treated the same as music.

** I use Voice-Track to avoid using a word that could be in a song title or artist name. This could
     also work if you set up a predefined name to be used for Voice Tracks and added that to the
     suggested file name.

Casey
MY FM Radio - 106.9
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 15, 2012, 04:55:40 AM
For example I have a playlist with 300 tracks and another with 10 tracks. I created a Preset with this two playlists and from settings i checked "Do not repeat artist for" 120 min. Of course the settings are not good for the Preset Category, but it would be necesary only an error mesage, not a huge loop with that error message.
You can overcome this by checking the "Ignore do not repeat..." option in the category properties for the 10-track category.
An error appears every time PlGen needs to get a track from a category...
Let me know if that option helped you.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 15, 2012, 05:01:35 AM
An observation..  There is a delay between the transmitted and monitor audio. This in itself is not unusual.  At the start of the broadcast there is a minor echo but this gradually increases to where,  after 9 hours, the output to transmitter is several words, in a song, ahead of the monitor audio.. Likely nothing but thought I would pass it along.
This can be explained by mismatched sample rate. Even when you select 48000Hz in the settings, a card can run at 48010Hz, and the other card runs at 48005Hz - this little rate mismatch is inaudible, but over time it goes out of sync more and more.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 15, 2012, 05:21:27 AM
Is the ability to modify the Segue Editor parameters in real time (i.e., create a segue with the track currently playing) still scheduled to be part of Version 4.8?  Thanks.
Yes, it's scheduled for later 4.8 updates.

Casey
Yes, I agree with your requests regarding Scheduler - those will be added in the future versions.

About voice tracks - those are treated in a different way, you don't need to use special file type for those. More info: http://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/voice_tracking.htm
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 15, 2012, 05:57:02 AM

3) -  could it be made possible to stack commands, instead of having to create several scheduled
        events? ie Play a PSA + Play sweeper directly after
                         


I have been wondering how to do this without creating several schedules

1. play intro
2. play sweeper
3. play playlist

However, my thoughts were from a different direction and instead of using scheduler could this not be done in Playlist Generator Pro?

PLGPro currently uses looping categories. Would it be possible to have non looping categories so that intro, sweepers and any other material could be played once before the main looping structure?

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 15, 2012, 06:11:05 AM
Yes, this will be added in one of the next updates.

There's another way to achieve this: add 3 categories (intro, sweeper, playlist), for the playlist category select "Use all tracks from source". Do not use the "Playlist Length" option.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 15, 2012, 06:56:19 AM
Yes, this will be added in one of the next updates.

There's another way to achieve this: add 3 categories (intro, sweeper, playlist), for the playlist category select "Use all tracks from source". Do not use the "Playlist Length" option.

Sorry I am not experienced enough to understand this properly  :)

I am not sure what "Use all tracks from source" means/does ?

Can you provide a modified code to help me understand

object TGenSettings
  Parts = <
    item
      CatID = 'VHKRYXUOUFPCBBX'
    end
    item
      CatID = 'YQUGUWCJRIFFHIN'
    end>
  UseLen = True
  Len = 60
  DontRepeatArtist = True
  DontRepeatArtistMin = 65
  DontRepeatArtistComparePercent = 75
  DontRepeatTrack = True
  DontRepeatTrackMin = 0
  ReadAdditionalInfo = True
  Priority = '012'
  Categories = <
    item
      CategoryID = 'VHKRYXUOUFPCBBX'
      Name = '80s-Tracks'
      LengthType = 0
      Length0 = 3
      Length1 = 0
      IgnoreDoNotRepeat = False
      SrcType = 0
      SrcBase = 'R:\DataBase\1980s.xml'
      SrcIncludeSubfolders = False
      SrcInsertType = 0
      FYearExclude = False
      FLengthEnabled = False
      FLengthTo = 0
      FLengthFrom = 0
      FBPMExclude = False
    end
    item
      CategoryID = 'YQUGUWCJRIFFHIN'
      Name = 'Promo'
      LengthType = 0
      Length0 = 1
      Length1 = 0
      IgnoreDoNotRepeat = False
      SrcType = 0
      SrcIncludeSubfolders = False
      SrcInsertType = 0
      FYearExclude = False
      FLengthEnabled = False
      FLengthTo = 0
      FLengthFrom = 0
      FBPMExclude = False
    end>
end


I would need to generate a total playlist length of say, 60 minutes.

A. Program Intro (Fixed)
B. Sweeper (Fixed or variable)
C. 3 x Tracks from the 80s
D. 1 x program promo

C & D would then need to loop but not A & B

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 15, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Look at this picture, there are many things that would be very good who are present when remote access is released RB  :D
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 16, 2012, 03:47:05 AM
dave-t
Ok, the next version will have a "Disable loop" feature - it's easy to add :)

nelson-c
On the picture I see chat, news, time, and playlist... Do you think this should be included in RB remote control?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 16, 2012, 05:04:33 AM
that is brilliant  :)

thank you

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 16, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
Just wanted to show remote access software that has developed here in Argentina, and to get ideas for RadioBOSS.
Unfortunately all I can show is photos, the company not made ​​any configuration demonstration video, let alone a demo.
Not everyone, it seems indispensable, for example:
newsreader (RSS), or clock (since all mobile devices show that information).
What is indispensable in my case, would be able to search the library and insert them to the list.
But I would also be very good perform remote preview.


Another idea that I found out that was implemented in this program may be useful:
Each license is given an electronic mailbox user@companyname.com
Through this mail can send a reporter for a cell (for example) an email with an mp3 attachment, in case you enter the date and time to be output, and the message body in a password (as a security ). then the program receives the file, delete the email, and issued automatically at the scheduled time.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 16, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Another thing I would like to comment:
Recently StereoTool incorporate remote access, but I really like his performance, every time you make a change to a parameter, you must load all the images from the server and is extremely slow, especially right through 3G networks.
I think the best solution would be to load all the images in the cache before performing remote access (as do flash applications for example).
thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on December 16, 2012, 12:55:48 PM
Hi,

   Is it possible to install and use other tts such as the ones from Acapela ? http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 17, 2012, 12:04:56 AM
This can be explained by mismatched sample rate. Even when you select 48000Hz in the settings, a card can run at 48010Hz, and the other card runs at 48005Hz - this little rate mismatch is inaudible, but over time it goes out of sync more and more.

Thank for the explanation! ...  I should have though of that.. We use soundcards for some amateur radio software, where it is necessary to calibrate to a Known frequency standard.

However, I found later that this becomes a problem, for me, when experimenting with how to use RB manually.. full live operation*. The sound delay between the output (to the transmitter) and monitor becomes more confusing in live operation. In my case the RB display, visual indication of playback and count down timer etc are in sync with the output. This gives me several seconds difference between the visual (on screen) and monitor (audio) cues..  It got a bit confusing at times...   ???

I checked the device settings again.. I though I may have found the problem.. There was a difference in the default buffer settings. The output (main) was set to 50 and the Monitor was set to 75.  Unfortunately, this was not the answer..   :(

Is there anyway that sound cards could be calibrated to stay closer to each other? Did you notice anything like this when you tested your 3 soundcard set up?  I have another sound blaster soundcard, the same model as currently installed.  I will have to install that to see if the 2 SB cards can stay closer in frequency..

(*More on live operation in a later post, I hope that part could be improved)

Casey
MY FM Radio - 106.9
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 17, 2012, 01:37:12 AM
Yes, I agree with your requests regarding Scheduler - those will be added in the future versions.

Thank you, I look forward to this!

Quote
About voice tracks - those are treated in a different way, you don't need to use special file type for those. More info: http://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/voice_tracking.htm

Yes, I read that part of the manual but did not fully understand it at first. The problem is in how I was using the voice tracking recorder initially.

My first use of the voice tracking recorder was recording voice announcements and save them to be called from the scheduler.  This is where I had noticed the problem with beginning and end of the voice file being lost due to fade-in and fade-out.

So now after more experimenting and learning, I understand of the main intended use of voice tracking. I have heard about how modern radio stations use voice tracking but had never use it myself. So when I record a voice track and insert in in the play list, it plays as intended, per the manual.  It sounds very pro!  :)

However, if I record a track using the voice tracking recorder, save it (but don't insert) and called from the scheduler, RB does not handle the file the same. The file looks to be handled like a regular audio file. In this case the file would need special naming so the "file type" can be set to handle how it is played back.

Casey
MY FM Radio - 106.9
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 03:34:52 AM
nelson c
Thank you for ideas, I've added it to the list for the future Remote Control feature.

   Is it possible to install and use other tts such as the ones from Acapela ? http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html
Their voice is better than the MS Speech... but they don't listen prices so I suspect it's expensive :(

Casey
While testing, the Main and Monitor cards were slightly out of sync. I'll see if that can be improved.
But you've started with the right direction: buffer sizes should be the same.
You can use ASIO4ALL [http://www.asio4all.com] and switch all sc's to use ASIO - it will remove latency and should make cards output playback synchronously.

About voice tracks, there's currently a limitation - voice tracks have to be saved to the default directory to be handled as VT's (this will be changed in the future). Probably you're saving them somewhere else and that's why they play as regular files...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 17, 2012, 03:43:36 AM
Text To Speech can be used to say any text. While it's not for professional radio stations, there are many situations when it can be useful, eg parties, fun radio stations, etc :) It can also say current time and day.

Syntax: TTS=+N;text
+N (or -N) is talk speed, can be from -9 to +9. Zero must have a sign too (either + or -).
text - a text you want program to speak. Can contain XML tags as described here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717077(v=vs.85).aspx and hour/minute/day macro:
%h - hour
%m - minute
%s - second
%D - day
%M - month
%dw - week day

Example:
TTS=+1;<EMPH>it's %dw %Dth of %M the time is %h hours and %m minutes thank you for listening our cool radio</EMPH>

I wonder if anyone else reading this Forum is still confused about how to use this, as I was?

The post didn't really say how it was to be used/implemented. After trying a few ways to get text to speech to work, the light bulb finally lite up... 

It's easy once you figure it out... :)

TTS is a command that can be used in the scheduler..

So I add an event and put this in the [Playlist/track filename or command] box  ..

TTS=+1;<EMPH>the time is %h %m</EMPH>

and the time is announced!

The voice needs some fine tuning but can work for my purposes..  ;D

Observations.. 

There is a limit to how long the line can be in the [Playlist/track filename or command] box.. my count is around 85 characters total.

Is it possible to have TTS call a text file or could the be added?

With some tuning the digital voice sounds fairly good.. best of all she works for free!  ;D

However... at some point, for time announcements, could we have the provision to use voice files for saying the time.. and maybe the temperature, like ZaraRadio? I have a collection of audio files from various sources that could be used.. all freely available.

Casey
MY FM Radio - 106.9



Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 03:55:44 AM
Yep, some people asked on what to do with the command :) I've modified the first post with a note about this.

The say-time feature is already added, I think an update will be released today. Not sure about weather yet -  probably it goes to 4.8.1. Can you send the temperature/time voice files you have to support@djsoft.net - this will help to test more "sets" and fine-tune the feature.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on December 17, 2012, 05:07:32 AM
   Is it possible to install and use other tts such as the ones from Acapela ? http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html

Their voice is better than the MS Speech... but they don't listen prices so I suspect it's expensive :(

Yes, I checked a few years ago and it was already very expesive. But maybe, depending of the usage, it could be possible to make a deal with them, using their voices and promoting their company ... Maybe!

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 05:20:14 AM
Maybe you're right, I'll try to approach them... But RB is a commercial software - this fact doesn't help much to get discounts :(

I'm still not sure if TTS can be used in a radio station. While I see some applications for it, like saying time or reading listeners' SMS/messages, I'm not sure if it can be used on a serious station. Acapella TTS sounds pretty live though.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: tibocut on December 17, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
Hello.

I am moving from RadioDJ to RadioBoss.

So far the experience is succesful and I'm very happy with the robustness and the power of RadioBoss.

My experimental path started by converting an automatic playlist (rotation) :
- Jingle English
- Random English radio stream
- Jingle French
- Random French radio stream

The rotation will be extended in the future to include podcasts adn other speech/music files, but this one is the one that must work before all.

On RadioDJ you can put the streams into the database and they have a special file type. The rotation generate the playlist automatically on the fly, as the time goes.

On RadioBoss I've created two m3u playlists : one for the english streams, one for the french streams.
I've used Playlist Generator Pro to create my rotations and saved it as a big playlist.
Then a scheduler event play the next stream each hour.

I don't use any sound plugins from Radio Boss as I use a sound processor called Breakaway Live which does a terrific job.
However some streams have different playback levels : some too quiet, some too loud. Currently Breakaway Live is doing the automatic gain leveling but, as the streams are predictable, it would be nicer to be able to say at the time of import at what audio level each stream should play.

This and treating the streams as first class citizen like audio file would allow them to be stored in the database and tag them more appropriately.
Then my rotation will become more meaningful and easier.

Also I have seen some post that the scheduler will accept more than one command. It will be very handy. Then you're so close to create a little script engine which will make RadioBoss a fully automated radio solution :-)

My last comment goes to the built in broadcaster server.
I would like to know if it's possible to run it on port 80 as many host provider do not let you having a stream on port 80.
When I try it says : Error -1 (no description)
It works well on port 8000
Of course I can modify the firewall and router settings to match 8000 to 80 but I was wondering if out of the box, RadioBoss built in server could do http live streaming or if it would be better to install a third party server designed for the task.

Please note : My internet radio is experimental and non commercial. So please don't judge it as a ripping off other radios. It's part of an educational activity for bilingual english / french students.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 05:48:00 AM
Welcome tibocut,

Regarding your questions. For a simple rotation
Code: [Select]
- Jingle English
- Random English radio stream
- Jingle French
- Random French radio stream

You can use the Track List feature. It is easier to setup than Playlist Generator Pro:
1. Create playlists for Jingles and Streams, in total you have 4 playlists (or create playlists for streams and keep jingles in folders).
2. Click Playlist->Add Track List... - do this 4 times to add streams and jingles
3. In the result you'll have 4 entries in the playlist. On playback it will select one track (or stream) from the source.
3. Set the "Repeat Playlist" option (under the playlist) to loop it.
That's it. When you add new jingles to a folder - they will be automatically included in the rotaton with no effort.

Regarding stream levels, the next update will have a feature to assign File Types to streams - this will make it possible to correct the playback level (via Settings->File Types). Probably a little box with "level" will be added to the Add URL dialog, as this was asked multiple times already.

Built-in broadcasting server can work on any port. The only condition is: the port must not be in use by another program. Port 80 is often used by HTTP web servers (eg. IIS or Apache) - if you have any of those running, RB can not use this port... You can check if the port is already used with the netstat -a command in the Windows Command Line.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: roygbiv222 on December 17, 2012, 06:05:33 AM
New beta version crashes every new track, if manually and automatic.
System XP home SP3
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 06:16:16 AM
New beta version crashes every new track, if manually and automatic.
System XP home SP3
Is there any error message shown?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: radium98 on December 17, 2012, 06:54:05 AM
The say-time feature is already added, I think an update will be released today.THANKS a 1000 :) a christmas gift for new stable release will be soon ?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: tibocut on December 17, 2012, 08:02:45 AM
You can use the Track List feature. It is easier to setup than Playlist Generator Pro:
1. Create playlists for Streams and keep jingles in folders.
2. Click Playlist->Add Track List... - do this 4 times to add streams and jingles
3. In the result you'll have 4 entries in the playlist. On playback it will select one track (or stream) from the source.
3. Set the "Repeat Playlist" option (under the playlist) to loop it.
That's it. When you add new jingles to a folder - they will be automatically included in the rotation with no effort.

It works very well and it's much simpler than generating a huge playlist.
I notice the title of the streams are not taken from the #EXTINF of the playlist file but instead by what the stream send.
As not every stream is formatted correctly, the "playing now" information is either empty or inaccurate.
I'll digg into that to see where the problem is.

Regarding stream levels, the next update will have a feature to assign File Types to streams - this will make it possible to correct the playback level (via Settings->File Types). Probably a little box with "level" will be added to the Add URL dialog, as this was asked multiple times already.

That will be indeed a very well welcomed feature.

Built-in broadcasting server can work on any port. The only condition is: the port must not be in use by another program. (...) You can check if the port is already used with the netstat -a command in the Windows Command Line.

The commands "netstat -a -b" running as Administrator says the port 80 is used but says "Can not obtain ownership information".
Ah yes, on the services window, the World Web Publishing Service is running (it was on manual start though). Solved.

Thanks again for all your guidance.


Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 10:20:35 AM
The say-time feature is already added, I think an update will be released today.THANKS a 1000 :) a christmas gift for new stable release will be soon ?
Yes, RB 4.8 stable will be released before 20th of December. According to issue tracker, it's 98% ready  :)

I notice the title of the streams are not taken from the #EXTINF of the playlist file but instead by what the stream send.
Actually the stream title is taken from the playlist's EXTINF. But there's a bug: title works only when duration is not zero... (this will be addressed in the next update)
To set custom stream title: click Playlist->Add URL. Set the duration and enter the title in the "set broadcast title" field.
If you edit playlist files manually, the stream entry should look like this:
Code: [Select]
#EXTINF:3600,My Custom Title
http://bassdrive.com/v2/streams/BassDrive.m3u #3600
"3600" - length in seconds
"My Custom Title" - is the title you want to use when stream is playing
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: David on December 17, 2012, 11:07:10 AM
I have a question about Time with voice.. Is it possible to write into the program a way to say time audio files from hours 00 to 23.wav or mp3 and to append with sox (software) the minutes 01 to 59.wav or mp3.  Then this final wav or mp3 could be updated and saved each minute so when the program called it it would say the correct time.  eg..It is now 10 03. For 12 hour time 13 to 23 would have to be 1 to 11, but be recorded with 1pm being 13.wav under an hour and a seperate minute folder.  In linux I have seen a cron job do this, but do not know how to make windows unless a 1 minute batch file could do it.  Sorry for being long winded...just a thought

David
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
It's already implemented in RB - it will play 2 files (for hour and minute) from the specified folder. You just need to add files there, that's it :)
An updated version with this feature included will be released later today.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: David on December 17, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
Thanks.. Looking forward to update

David
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Christian on December 17, 2012, 01:03:42 PM
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Maybe you're right, I'll try to approach them... But RB is a commercial software - this fact doesn't help much to get discounts :(
Actually I was more thinking of a radio station to approach them. If their voices are used on air it can give some visibility to the company. Anyway i am not so sure. You can also make a try.

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I'm still not sure if TTS can be used in a radio station. While I see some applications for it, like saying time or reading listeners' SMS/messages, I'm not sure if it can be used on a serious station. Acapella TTS sounds pretty live though.
Yes I agree. I have been playing around but still find most voices are too soft. Not enough energy especially for a dance style radio station.
On a pop or smooth radio, maybe it could be used to say the time, weather, etc. Maybe it could be used to read dedications made on the radio station website (need to moderate first), ...

Minor bug I noticed: When duplicating a task in the scheduler the “Send task name instead of track titles to server” is discarded.

Christian
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 17, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.9

- automatic time announcements (Playlist->Add time announcement) (more info below)
- added command to insert TTS via Playlist menu
- "Next Run" column in the scheduler list
- Playlist Generator Pro: added option "disable loop" for category
- File Types can be used with network streams (set :// for any network stream or domain name for specific stream as file type identifier)
- several bugs fixed

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.9_beta.exe

Time files naming:
* hour files should have "h" in their name and number (2 digits) - hr_05.mp3 is a file for "it's 5" (you can also name it h05.mp3 - it will work too). Hour files which have "o" in name are used for exact hour: hr_05o.mp3 should say "it's 5 o'clock", minutes are not said in this case.
* minute files should have "m" in their name and number (2 digits) - m_56.mp3 for "56".
* files should be in the folder itself, no subfolders
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 17, 2012, 02:20:29 PM
Thanks for another great update  8)

"do not loop" option in PLG Pro is a great feature - not tried it yet but will do very soon

Would it not be an idea to add "time announcement" via scheduler ? and simply read the system time. If that was possible an "ofset" would be a great addition to allow for internet streaming delays  ;)

Thanks again

Regards

Dave

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 17, 2012, 02:42:14 PM

Yes I agree. I have been playing around but still find most voices are too soft. Not enough energy especially for a dance style radio station.

Christian

Take a look at http://www.musicradiocreative.com/free-radio-jingles

There is a 50mb archive available free of charge all of which are a bit more "up-beat". there is a set of "hour only" time announcements which may fit your needs

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 17, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
Hello, I was testing the new feature to broadcast advertisements of the time, and I propose some improvements:
* The settings folder listings should be done from the settings panel.
* It would be very good too, you can use these listings above songs (as jingles), and also to program them as events.
With each addition of functionalities, the flap playlist is getting longer  ;D, maybe you could create a subdivision: example-automated announcements-> text / time.(in the small resolution of a netbook barely fits)

You can see all the songs when performing a search? (I ask because I'm not on the radio right now, I'm with my netbook and I can prove it because here I have less than 500 songs)
This is something very important.
Thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 18, 2012, 02:23:07 AM
Can you send the temperature/time voice files you have to support@djsoft.net - this will help to test more "sets" and fine-tune the feature.

Check your email.. 

The file was large so I sent a you the link to download. It contains all the time and weather voice files I had for ZR.

For the weather, ZR used Weather Watcher Live from Singer’s Creations
http://www.singerscreations.com/WeatherWatcherLive (http://www.singerscreations.com/WeatherWatcherLive)

Now, this was a while ago so I do not know if it still would work and the program seems to have gotten over complicated for what is needed. The way it worked was that Weather Watcher had an option for writing the weather information to a text file. ZR then picked out the needed information for the temperature and humidity.

I can get my current weather in a text file or RSS feed. Many others may have this available to them without having to buy another program.

If RB can pick the needed data from a text file for Temp and in my case wind chill would be nice.. humidity may be important to others.

Here is a sample of text file I get from my weather service:
- - - - - - -
Current Conditions

Observed at: 1:00 AM CST Tuesday 18 December 2012

Condition:  Cloudy
Temperature: -10.9°C
Pressure:  100.4 kPa
Visibility:  16 km
Humidity: 92%
Wind Chill:  -17
Dew Point:  -12.0°C
Wind Speed:   E 11 km/h
- - - - - - -

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 03:33:14 AM
Actually I was more thinking of a radio station to approach them. If their voices are used on air it can give some visibility to the company. Anyway i am not so sure. You can also make a try.
I saw they offer SDK which is for software developers :) I don't know if they provide a voice for MS Speech (which is used in RB) - if they do, you can try get it from them.
Thanks for reporting a bug.

Would it not be an idea to add "time announcement" via scheduler ? and simply read the system time. If that was possible an "ofset" would be a great addition to allow for internet streaming delays  ;)
It's already possible: in the scheduler's "filename/command" enter the following:
Code: [Select]
saytime=D:\timevoices(change the folder to where the files are actually located)

I don't think we should bother with offset: by default the delay is around 30-60 seconds - that's not much. No one will miss a plane because of slightly incorrect time announcement :)

* The settings folder listings should be done from the settings panel.
I wouldn't agree. As it is now, you can use different voices during the day. The "add announcement" window remembers the latest folder selected - you don't have to select the folder each time.

* It would be very good too, you can use these listings above songs (as jingles), and also to program them as events.
It's possible - please see reply to dave-t above.

With each addition of functionalities, the flap playlist is getting longer  ;D, maybe you could create a subdivision: example-automated announcements-> text / time.(in the small resolution of a netbook barely fits)
What resolution your netbook has? The program is designed to fit in the 1024x768 resolution. "Playlist" menu height is under 500px.

You can see all the songs when performing a search? (I ask because I'm not on the radio right now, I'm with my netbook and I can prove it because here I have less than 500 songs)
Not yet, the list is still limited to first 500 results. Please wait for the next update.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 03:37:51 AM
Check your email.. 
Thanks for files :)

Regarding weather, it will be added in the future 4.8.x versions (no more new features for 4.8.0). The weather source wouldn't require installing an external program: it'll just make a request to a weather service - I'm not sure yet which one we will use.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: radium98 on December 18, 2012, 06:01:10 AM
for the time announcement and weather those were my request old time ago :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 18, 2012, 06:15:42 AM
- automatic time announcements (Playlist->Add time announcement) (more info below)

RadioBOSS 4.8.0.9

Time works using sound files from ZaraRadio.. I made no changes, though I think there are some extras files that are not needed. They have not given any problems yet.. will look at that later..

Adding a Time announcement from the menu Playlist> Add time announcement works fine...

The Time command is recognized in the scheduler  but does not work.. what am I missing?  ???

1) - just using Time as a command does not work. It flashes as a coming event .. but nothing happens. (no error message)

2) - next thought time does not know where the files are so I used this in the scheduler: Time C:\RadioBOSS\Time  .. Now the event is added to the play list as other events. (with clock icon)

This does not work.. 
Error message: Unable to play! Error code = 2  (unable to open the file/invalid server address)

I tried a few other variations with no luck.. keep getting the same error..  :(

I think we need a place to enter the path to the time files so that the Time command will work in scheduler..

Enough this morning.. sleep is calling...  :)
Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 07:25:09 AM
Casey
The command should be like this (you just need to change the path):
Code: [Select]
saytime=D:\timevoices
In the next version Time announcements will be added to the scheduler's wizard to make things easier :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 18, 2012, 09:45:13 AM
Small error in the interface: when the player window is very small, overlaps the microphone button.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
Small error in the interface: when the player window is very small, overlaps the microphone button.
Yes, this is a known one... But there's currently no fix for it :(
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: bobby on December 18, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
Hey djsoft

I would like to request for a next song annountment guy to be added to radioboss please

thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 03:43:15 PM
I would like to request for a next song annountment guy to be added to radioboss please
Do you mean it should read what song is up to be next?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
RadioBOSS 4.8.0.10

- Several improvements in the Search feture
- Added "Start by DTMF only" option to events
- "One track only" indication for "Break" button
- Time announcement and TTS added to the Scheduler wizard.
- Minor bugs fixed

Download: http://dl.djsoft.net/beta/radioboss_4.8.0.10_beta.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: bobby on December 18, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
I would like to request for a next song annountment guy to be added to radioboss please
Do you mean it should read what song is up to be next?

Hey Djosft

yes i would like radioboss to read what song is coming up next

if you could add that feature on radioboss please
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 18, 2012, 03:56:01 PM
Yes, that's possible - will be added in the next update.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 18, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
4.8.0.10
Big problem in playlist.
I do not understand why dissaper time calculation of a selection of tracks.

It was a request in past. It was solved, but know...

Please, I need that function (duration calculate of selected tracks) in playlist. Please, move it back.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on December 18, 2012, 05:18:21 PM
New enhancements in searches work great!, Thanks.

For RB 4.9 I would like to have several skins as radiocaster. :).

Another issue:
RadioLogger is a trademark? because I found other software that does the same, practically with the same name: "Radio Logger Pro" (http://www.radio-soft.com/en/products/view.php?id=3)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 18, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
Casey
The command should be like this (you just need to change the path):
Code: [Select]
saytime=D:\timevoices
In the next version Time announcements will be added to the scheduler's wizard to make things easier :)

Opps ...  I missed that one..  over tired and trying to get something working..  ;)

OK, that works fine.   :)

A note, just for reference.

You must not have a trailing "\" at the end of the path ie saytime=D:\timevoices\  that breaks things.. 
(I copied the path from Total Commander and missed that the first time..

With a trailing "\" at the end, you get a blank event in the playlist and the time does not work...
 Error - Unable to play ! Error code = 5 (invalid handle)

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 19, 2012, 03:04:36 AM
While testing, the Main and Monitor cards were slightly out of sync. I'll see if that can be improved.
But you've started with the right direction: buffer sizes should be the same.
You can use ASIO4ALL [http://www.asio4all.com] and switch all sc's to use ASIO - it will remove latency and should make cards output playback synchronously.

RadioBOSS 4.8.0.10 curently running..

This was lots of fun!  ;)
Finally after a lot of experimenting, reading and testing I have got the ASIO drivers working on 2 soundcards.  I have output to transmitter on the soundBlaster SC and Monitor on the Internal soundmax SC.

Getting the 2nd SC to work was a big pain.. the final answer for anyone else trying this was to remove the soundblaster drivers.. They are not needed, especially in my case as this SC is only used for the RB output (main). With the SB drivers loaded the SC was not available to ASIO.

Now the problems..  :)

No PreListen...   The only option for setting up the PreListen audio is DirectSound... this will not work... 
I get this error: [Error playing file (code 4: "No description") Please check "PreListen" device settings']

There is nothing I can do to change the PreListen settings.. There are other options including ASIO is in the list but they are greyed out.
For PreListen to work in this situation, it has to be set to ASIO. The only other option would be a 3rd sound card.

RadioLogger which I am also testing in this setup.. will no longer work.. 
It need to be able to support using the ASIO driver for recording and play back..

A new one...  Occasionally the Monitor audio get distorted.. some time it clears up on it's own. Sometime is gets really bad.
The fix I found.. if I turn the MIC on and off, the monitor audio clears up...  This only works with the MIC button,
NOT by toggling the mute on and off so it is not the muting function that is doing this. 
I will have to test more to get a better idea of what is happening.

On the positive side, the audio has stayed perfectly synced for several hours..

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 19, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
pety
I'm not sure why calculation for selected tracks is gone... It will be back in the next update :)

nelson c
Skins for RB doesn't looks good - there are too much custom UI elements which cannot be skinned for now.
RadioLogger is registered, but I don't think we should pursue the Radio Logger Pro makers - the name is too generic and I don't see a problem here.

Casey
The trailing backslash problem will be solved. Thanks for reporting.

Prelisten currently limited to use DirectSound only. In the nearest future it will be expanded to use all other driver models (ASIO, etc). I don't promise it for RadioLogger yet, but it will be added there in 2013 for sure.

The audio distortion which is resolved by pressing MIC button seems weird to me. What audio cards are you using, and is it native ASIO or you're using Asio4All software?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: roygbiv222 on December 19, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
New beta version crashes every new track, if manually and automatic.
System XP home SP3
Is there any error message shown?

Nothing, just restart and restart, if option "restar if crash" enabled, if not enabled crash only once.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 19, 2012, 03:25:39 PM
Nothing, just restart and restart, if option "restar if crash" enabled, if not enabled crash only once.
Please try downloading the most recent beta version (4.8.0.10). If it still crashes, click Settings->Open Settings Folder, you should see bugreport_*.txt files there - please send those to support@djsoft.net
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 20, 2012, 04:33:38 AM
Prelisten currently limited to use DirectSound only. In the nearest future it will be expanded to use all other driver models (ASIO, etc). I don't promise it for RadioLogger yet, but it will be added there in 2013 for sure.

I will try PreListen on cheap USB SC, that is one option for now.

RadioLogger is not urgent for me. I mentioned this because it would be a problem for anyone setup to use ASIO,
it will be good to have it as an option.

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The audio distortion which is resolved by pressing MIC button seems weird to me. What audio cards are you using, and is it native ASIO or you're using Asio4All software?

I am using the Asio4All drivers, with a soundblaster PCI for the Main SC and soundmax integrated SC for Monitor..

I did not get a chance to check this out on the Asio4All web site as it was down last night. There were however, a few comments about similar problems on other Forums. It seems particular to some soundcards.  The problem might also be due to a conflict between the windows and the Asio4All drivers with the soundmax integrated soundcard. I had to remove the windows drivers for the soundblaster PCI SC before it would work with Asio4All. I may need to remove the windows drivers for the soundmax integrated SC.

Another thing I will try when it fits the schedule, is installing a second soundblaster PCI SC. The one I am using now is working fine with just the Asio4All drivers.. Maybe 2 of the same SCs using the Asio4All driver may be the answer and leave the soundmax integrated SC for PreListen..  I will check this out when I can.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: roygbiv222 on December 20, 2012, 06:20:43 AM
Nothing, just restart and restart, if option "restar if crash" enabled, if not enabled crash only once.
Please try downloading the most recent beta version (4.8.0.10). If it still crashes, click Settings->Open Settings Folder, you should see bugreport_*.txt files there - please send those to support@djsoft.net

I kwow when problem occurs, when I use vst plugin, but I use still same plugins few years, in stable 4.7.7  demo alsa tested and every thing ok.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: roygbiv222 on December 20, 2012, 06:46:36 AM
Problem is when too many vst plugin are in using vst folder, I try with 2 vst plugins and ok, but earlier start with 165 plugins in folder and crashes.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 06:55:02 AM
Problem is when too many vst plugin are in using vst folder, I try with 2 vst plugins and ok, but earlier start with 165 plugins in folder and crashes.
Yes, too many VST plugins can cause problems... Currently the only solution would be to reduce the number of plugins.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 06:57:28 AM
Casey
If Asio4All causes problems, I'm afraid RB cannot do anything about it... I think it's better to use cards which have native ASIO support.
Using a cheap USB card for prelisten is a good idea.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: StreamJamz on December 20, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Problem is when too many vst plugin are in using vst folder, I try with 2 vst plugins and ok, but earlier start with 165 plugins in folder and crashes.
Yes, too many VST plugins can cause problems... Currently the only solution would be to reduce the number of plugins.

So what's a safe number of VST to start with?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 09:39:00 AM
RadioBOSS 4.8 Release Candidate:
http://dl.djsoft.net/radioboss_setup_4.8.0.11.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 09:41:02 AM
So what's a safe number of VST to start with?
Having hundreds of plugins will affect RB startup speed as it scans the plugin folder (this will be changed in the future). RB shouldn't hang or crash because of VST plugins, but sometimes it can if one or more of VST plugins is faulty.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: bobby on December 20, 2012, 11:52:33 AM
Hey Djsoft

does RadioBOSS 4.8 Release Candidate have my request to read song titles on the air yet

thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 12:28:32 PM
Hi bobby. I'm sorry, the wasn't added in this version. It will be either added in the 4.8.0 release or goes to 4.8.1.

BTW, Are you really sure you want to use TTS engine on your station?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: bobby on December 20, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
Hey Djsoft

Yes i am sure that i want to use the TTS engine on my station

thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 20, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
The release is working great for me  :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson_c on December 20, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
A possible improvement in searches:
Search the STOP button now also works to clear the text: Deleting a text should update the list again.

I remember a small error reported last year:
By maximizing and minimizing the log window returns to its initial position.

For 2013 I expect this to include remote access, pre-loading buffer and ancillary players in the next versions.

Conclusion: very happy with this new version, I love the new features included! :D
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 02:40:21 PM
Yes i am sure that i want to use the TTS engine on my station
OK... Please wait for 4.8.1 update, the TTS feature will be extended there to say current/next track title.

The release is working great for me  :)
Very good! :)

Search the STOP button now also works to clear the text: Deleting a text should update the list again.
It's not possible. Refreshing the list takes time while STOP button supposed to stop search immediately. If STOP button actually starts a new search (with empty request), it doesn't really act as stop... Another moment: you search the large base and don't want to wait until it's finished - you click stop and browse through the incomplete results. If button resets the results it's not good at all.

I remember a small error reported last year:
By maximizing and minimizing the log window returns to its initial position.
Yes, it's still on the bug list.

For 2013 I expect this to include remote access, pre-loading buffer and ancillary players in the next versions.
Yes, this is planned for spring (RB 4.9), but I'm not sure about streams pre-buffer yet.

Conclusion: very happy with this new version, I love the new features included! :D
Thanks!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson_c on December 20, 2012, 03:21:18 PM
Search the STOP button now also works to clear the text: Deleting a text should update the list again.
Quote
It's not possible. Refreshing the list takes time while STOP button supposed to stop search immediately. If STOP button actually starts a new search (with empty request), it doesn't really act as stop... Another moment: you search the large base and don't want to wait until it's finished - you click stop and browse through the incomplete results. If button resets the results it's not good at all.
OK, I understand, you are right

Boss Radio 4.9 will be ready for spring U.S. (March / June)?. Spring ends here today.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 03:50:05 PM
Yep, the March/June spring. Sorry for confusion :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 20, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Beta testing is over. Big thanks for everyone who participated!

Final version can be downloaded from here: http://dl2.djsoft.net/radioboss_setup_4.8.0.12.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on December 20, 2012, 06:18:16 PM
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to join the beta testing program and a big thank you for the great enhancements you have made.

1. Vastly improved accessibility
2. Major improvements to Scheduling
3. Great developments in the PlayList Generator Pro

Love them all  8)

I would really like to join the 4.9 Beta testing next Spring  ;)

Hope you guys can put your feet up for a few days and enjoy Christmas

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on December 21, 2012, 03:51:07 AM
Error!
In attach
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 21, 2012, 04:34:02 AM
Casey
If Asio4All causes problems, I'm afraid RB cannot do anything about it... I think it's better to use cards which have native ASIO support.
Using a cheap USB card for prelisten is a good idea.

When I started up the computer today..  Asio4All causes lots of problems! RadioBOSS was unusable. Distortion on main (output) SC and the Monitor SC wouldn't work.. Spent some time trying to get it working again bit had no luck at all..   :(

I had no time to pursue this further as I want to switch over to using the RadioBOSS system on air for my Christmas broadcast which started today.

I did try the USB SC for prelisten for a while but the sound on it got distorted after a while..  I finally went with just using 2 soundcards, 1 for output and the other for monitor.  This works good other than the lag that develops between SCs after a while..  I will have to work on that later.

Not likely that I will be getting any ASIO support soundcards in the near future.. I run a very low budget, non-profit operation, more of a hobby..

Using RadioBOSS 4.8.0.12 - all is working well!   :)

Casey

Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 21, 2012, 04:44:33 AM
Beta testing is over. Big thanks for everyone who participated!

Is beta testing ever over..  :)
It just continues on is other forms as you move to the next version.. 

It has been interesting being a part of making a great program even better!

The last software project I worked with lasted over 12 years It is coming to an end, the author of the program has stopped working on the project. He has decided to make his source code open source.

When do we start on ver 4.9?   ;D

Best wishes to all for the Christmas season and a Happy New Year!

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 21, 2012, 05:09:50 AM
Hope you guys can put your feet up for a few days and enjoy Christmas
I hope that too, but as always there are minor bugs found just after the release :)

When I started up the computer today..  Asio4All causes lots of problems! RadioBOSS was unusable. Distortion on main (output) SC and the Monitor SC wouldn't work.. Spent some time trying to get it working again bit had no luck at all..   :(
Probably Asio4All needs to be configured... I can't help much on this, as we test RB only on native ASIO cards w/o using Asio4All.
I'd start with checking sample rate frequencies - they should match the ones selected in RB's playback settings.

Error!
In attach
Oops... thanks for reporting. An update will be released shortly.

Is beta testing ever over..  :)
It just continues on is other forms as you move to the next version.. 
That's true. There's always something that can be improved or fixed :) But at least non-betas doesn't have critical (show-stopper) bugs.

When do we start on ver 4.9?   ;D
4.9 is planned for April 2013.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 21, 2012, 05:45:48 AM
Update RadioBOSS 4.8.0.13: several minor bugs were fixed

http://dl2.djsoft.net/radioboss_setup_4.8.0.13.exe
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Joshua on December 21, 2012, 06:01:29 AM
Hello,

that was one of the best beta test I've seen. fast response, very good cooperation. Thank you!  :)

Merry Christmas @ all

Greeetz
Joshua
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Casey on December 21, 2012, 04:43:40 PM
Probably Asio4All needs to be configured... I can't help much on this, as we test RB only on native ASIO cards w/o using Asio4All.
I'd start with checking sample rate frequencies - they should match the ones selected in RB's playback settings.

An update on the soundcards not staying in sync..  - Not a big problem now!   :)

The SC setup is with 2 soundcards, 1 for output and the other for monitor and prelisten.
After running 10 hours, the 2 SCs are not perfectly in sync but very close.

Another early morning job, getting the system fine tuned.. I played with buffer sizes but in the process also changed to RadioBOSS 4.8.0.13, when you released it. I was getting very tired by this time. I am not sure if it was fixed by getting the right buffer sizes or something you changed.

Also to add to my morning excitement! LOL  ;D

I was really taken off guard when RadioBOSS shut itself down with no warning.  ???
At first I thought it had crashed..

Then RB wanted the registration code.. this had me confused.. It was 4:30 in the morning  almost to early to be thinking. I shut down RB and restarted.. it let me get back on the air, in demo mode.

At this point, I was not sure what to do. I had to try something so I entered the registration code I had.. This fixed it RB and I were both happy!

I checked Help > About.. and see that you have thing well under control!
Thank you   :)

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4.9 is planned for April 2013.

I will be here as long as nothing out of my control comes along.

Casey
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on December 22, 2012, 04:39:20 AM
that was one of the best beta test I've seen. fast response, very good cooperation. Thank you!  :)
Thank you too!

Another early morning job, getting the system fine tuned.. I played with buffer sizes but in the process also changed to RadioBOSS 4.8.0.13, when you released it. I was getting very tired by this time. I am not sure if it was fixed by getting the right buffer sizes or something you changed.
Nothing changed in the software regarding playback (changes in playback code require extensive testing and therefore are never done in one day). It looks like buffer sizes was the issue.
For cards to be in sync, buffer sizes should be:
- as low as possible
- same size for both cards

I was really taken off guard when RadioBOSS shut itself down with no warning.  ???
At first I thought it had crashed..
Yes, this happens sometimes with beta tester codes... Please check your e-mail.
Title: RadioBOSS 4.8.2.1 BUG
Post by: pety on February 05, 2013, 01:04:31 AM
I installed RadioBOSS 4.8.2.1 yesterday at RVE Sibiu. I already find a very sorious BUG.
When I resized length of Control Panel (make some fast moves to check it) the track wich was played at that moment was interrupted few times.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8.2.1 BUG
Post by: pety on February 05, 2013, 02:33:41 AM
I installed RadioBOSS 4.8.2.1 yesterday at RVE Sibiu. I already find a very sorious BUG.
When I resized length of Control Panel (make some fast moves to check it) the track wich was played at that moment was interrupted few times.
Do not forget about this too, THANKS!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 05, 2013, 05:59:36 AM
I installed RadioBOSS 4.8.2.1 yesterday at RVE Sibiu. I already find a very sorious BUG.
When I resized length of Control Panel (make some fast moves to check it) the track wich was played at that moment was interrupted few times.
Does it happen every time or it was a one-time problem? If the latter, I don't think there's much we can do about it.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: pety on February 05, 2013, 06:01:35 AM
The PC was on for about 4-5 days. After restart RB works great, without any problems. Sorry for false alarm.  :)

RB works great!
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on February 19, 2013, 04:59:16 AM
Now that we heading for Version 9....
Are we getting any closer to getting mixing done by db level ?

For me to seriously look at using RadioBoss as a broadcasting system this is one feature that HAS to be implemented first before I would even consider it. Time mixing is just too basic and crude, and to be blunt, not professional.
Altho I pick on some aspects, you have other features which are excellent. However it just isn't there yet as a first class system. But it is not going to take much more work to see your system head in a more professional direction.
Flexibility of layout and more colorization is needed, skins will certainly help. But these can be worked on, just so long as the major operational aspects are there.

You did mention (on the mixing) when I have asked previously that you had it on your list to be implemented.
I am not opposed to time mixing remaining for those who wish to use it. I just want db level added as an optional choice.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 19, 2013, 11:36:27 AM
Crossfades based on db level are planned for RB 4.9. I agree that in most cases dB crossfading will be better.
Beta version will be released in March. I'd be glad if you take part in beta testing and maybe make some suggestions regarding this feature when it's added.

You mentioned layout flexibility - do you have any specific request? Skins are technically possible, you can see it in RadioCaster: in the menu click RadioCaster->Style and select a style. But as RadioBOSS has color/font settings I don't think skins are necessary there...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on February 20, 2013, 01:38:25 AM
I would be more than happy to take part in Beta testing and give you feedback on same (as we have done in the past when you have made changes at our suggestions). I have been lurking and watching, but have really been waiting for you to instigate the db level mixing, so I can stuck into giving you further ideas for possible changes.

In regard to layout I am meaning "box areas up" and have the ability to move that whole box from fixed positions, as they are now, to a position where the user would like them to be.
Example: The main Playlist, I would like to click and grab that area and move the whole thing to the left hand side.
The same with the Play/Stop/Next buttons etc.
The Log I still want, but not in my face, put it somewhere I can click to quickly bring it up instead.

The Date/Time, Last Track, On Air, Coming Up next - The ability to move each one individually to where I would like them.

Just the ability to be able move things to where you want them to be as a user is principally what I am getting at.

Colorization.
I know you love your grey, and shades of grey. But to be honest its a bit bland. :-\
Lets just pick on one thing for the moment. The PLAY button. Have the button triangle BLUE. But when its clicked on, lights up as tho an LED is behind it with a light green to show the button is pushed on. The blue triangle stays blue, but the rest goes green.

I have heaps more ideas too. But will save these for when the beta testing starts.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 20, 2013, 11:21:06 AM
UI with movable boxes is a nice approach. But I know many users of RB are glad that UI is not complicated with thinks like this... I think we can find a sort of solution which is good for everyone. I'll assign it to the future RadioBOSS 5.0 for now. Feature list for upcoming 4.9 is already full.

About buttons, I agree those should be changed. From time to time people ask about this. This is planned for 4.9. Away from buttons, you can change window and font colors in Settings->View.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on February 20, 2013, 11:42:22 AM


About buttons, I agree those should be changed. From time to time people ask about this. This is planned for 4.9. Away from buttons, you can change window and font colors in Settings->View.

YES PLEASE  8) :D 8) :D

As far as the UI is concerned the only issue I really have are the tabs on the left hand side. I often want to be able to see schedule and the FX window at the same time - It would be nice to have one or the other as a separate pane

Looking forward to seeing the list

My hopes and wishes are

PGPro

Adding filters for Genre, Rating, Date

Music Library

Include/exclude field
Stripping converting & re-writing ID3V2.4 tags  ;)  :D

Really fancy stuff

Twitter integration - (Optionally) Tweets when a schedule is run
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on February 20, 2013, 05:12:57 PM
dave-t has outlined a classic example of what I mean by making UI flexible movable boxes.
Of the 7 Tabs, he only wants 2. And those two he wants to see in full all the time. The rest could be hidden, but brought up at the click of a button from the menu.

Yesterday I could not find where to change the color in spite of spending half an hour going thru the menus and help file. So now you have pointed out where, I have found it. :-[
Yes...it does improve things noticeably.
But I think we need to do more. More choice of what and where.
Surround a box (say like Playlist for example) with a band that is say 3mm thick of a color of choice. So as to define that this area does what sort of thing. This is instead of the thin grey line. Defining will be important once the boxes are made movable.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 21, 2013, 05:22:13 AM
As far as the UI is concerned the only issue I really have are the tabs on the left hand side. I often want to be able to see schedule and the FX window at the same time - It would be nice to have one or the other as a separate pane
That would be possible in the future. As you already probably know, there's a so called "Second work zone" was added in RB 4.8. You can activate it by pressing Ctrl+2 or from the menu: View->Work Zones->2.
For now it can host Search, File Explorer, Cart Wall and Web browser.
It's just a matter of time when Scheduler and some other features can be hosted there as well.

What do you use FX tab for by the way?

Regarding feature requests, most of them will be implemented in the RB 4.9.

Yesterday I could not find where to change the color in spite of spending half an hour going thru the menus and help file. So now you have pointed out where, I have found it. :-[
During search, did you look at the Settings window and just didn't notice the View tab?
It could be a problem with Settings window - it has too many sections (and couple more will be added in the next version), buttons, checkboxes, etc... Probably it makes it hard to find stuff there. Currently I don't see an easy solution for this one. Probably adding a HOW-TO topics to the help file would help.

Surround a box (say like Playlist for example) with a band that is say 3mm thick of a color of choice. So as to define that this area does what sort of thing. This is instead of the thin grey line. Defining will be important once the boxes are made movable.
What about changing playlist section background?
Thin grey line is used to resize sections. I think its color could be made changeable too.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: corsimusic on February 21, 2013, 06:30:27 AM
Hello
in radio boss 4.8 .3.0 much replay gain infos mp3 and some flac don't work
thank
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on February 21, 2013, 06:56:25 AM
As far as the UI is concerned the only issue I really have are the tabs on the left hand side. I often want to be able to see schedule and the FX window at the same time - It would be nice to have one or the other as a separate pane
That would be possible in the future. As you already probably know, there's a so called "Second work zone" was added in RB 4.8. You can activate it by pressing Ctrl+2 or from the menu: View->Work Zones->2.
For now it can host Search, File Explorer, Cart Wall and Web browser.
It's just a matter of time when Scheduler and some other features can be hosted there as well.

What do you use FX tab for by the way?

Regarding feature requests, most of them will be implemented in the RB 4.9.

Utilising work zone 2 for the schedule sounds like a good solution.

I use the FX tab as that is where the VU meter is and I can see if Replay Gain is operational on the now playing tracks.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 21, 2013, 08:37:52 AM
in radio boss 4.8 .3.0 much replay gain infos mp3 and some flac don't work
Please send files for which ReplayGain tag is not recognized to support@djsoft.net - it will be fixed in RadioBOSS 4.9.

dave-t
Thanks for the information. FX tab will be probably, but VU and ReplayGain will stay :)
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: dave-t on February 21, 2013, 08:48:10 AM
in radio boss 4.8 .3.0 much replay gain infos mp3 and some flac don't work
Please send files for which ReplayGain tag is not recognized to support@djsoft.net - it will be fixed in RadioBOSS 4.9.

dave-t
Thanks for the information. FX tab will be probably, but VU and ReplayGain will stay :)

If the schedule can be displayed in WZ2 that will meet my need nicely. It is not a major issue nor a priority for me just something nice to have  :)

Development of PGPro and Music library are - to me - more important. My station is highly automated and the more specific I can make the shows the better. Therefore, what is contained in the music library and how PGPro uses/filters this is critical to how my station "sounds"  :)

Loving RB a lot !
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 22, 2013, 02:43:35 AM
Thanks :)
Yes, Playlist Generator Pro will be improved in the next update. Also Music Library will have new columns.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on February 23, 2013, 08:27:33 PM
During search, did you look at the Settings window and just didn't notice the View tab?
No, I saw the View Tab alright. It was inside there when looking around that I had thought that area at the top was to do with FONT's since I saw the word "font" mentioned several times, so that is why I didn't notice it. I must have looked at that area half a dozen times.
What about changing playlist section background?
Thin grey line is used to resize sections. I think its color could be made changeable too.
I wasn't meaning the resize sections lines. I am not sure of the proper technical names to use to describe it, so hopefully this makes sense.
I was meaning the frame (outline) with a header bar at the top. So you can grab the header bar and move the whole box or frame around.
Rather than resize sections/areas, make the ACTUAL box/frame resizeable.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 25, 2013, 01:53:59 AM
Resizeable/moveable areas will, possibly, appear in the future RB 5.0. I'm still not sure if many users need it. When UI is highly customizable, it's hard for some people to find good layout.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on February 26, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
DJsoft agree with, I've tried programs like Sam Broadcaster, and the arrangement of windows is mut complicated and messy.
I personally like the interface radioboss, (but not skin) the idea of ​​working with pesatañas is very convenient and with the addition of "Work Zone 2" can work with Cart Wall, simultaneously with a list.
But I think we should build an extra skin for those who do not want the classic Windows-style appearance.

I enclose two skins I found on google I liked.
In the first there is a mixer, which in the future would be good to include it in radioboss, I think it would be useful to have a control over the entire audio when working from outside, or for users who do not have a hardware mixer.
Also this good about being able to hear the air by selecting headphones for example.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 26, 2013, 09:28:00 AM
You can change colors and fonts for the main window, so it'll look a bit different. It's configured via Settings->View.

It's possible to include skins in RadioBOSS. You can see it in action in RadioCaster - select a style from Style menu. I remember there was one style that looked like your first picture.

For air monitoring you can set up Monitor sound card in the Settings (in RB 4.9 sound cards can be changed without restarting so you can easily switch monitor device).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on February 28, 2013, 08:04:40 AM
Ok, change background color can be a good option momentary, but we need something with color gradient, and richer colors.
RC skins are very good, is it possible to incorporate in RB 4.9 or 5?
It would also be good so that users can create skins generating images. in order to have total control over the interface.

The new function to change settings without restarting sound is very good news, but I do not need to stop and in the future need to have a "virtual mixer" mode to control the microphone, the audio generally, the cart wall, etc. and select the option to monitor pre listen any desired output easily.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on February 28, 2013, 08:15:31 AM
on purpose there is a bug in the sound settings:
I'm using 3 sound cards:
1 - Air
2 - Wall Cart
3 - PFL
Each output is assigned a sound card, in any case I have assigned "out default windows"
every time I change the default sound card (I do use other programs for editing files), when I restart RadioBOSS, the outputs are changed, eg
3 - Air
1 - Wall Cart
2 - PFL
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 28, 2013, 01:18:37 PM
RadioBOSS binds sound cards by index. When you change the default sound card, indexes are changed.

It's possible to bind cards by Driver ID or something but I'm not sure... It's a rare case when people change default sound cards (but I could be wrong).
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on February 28, 2013, 01:21:49 PM
RC skins are very good, is it possible to incorporate in RB 4.9 or 5?
It would also be good so that users can create skins generating images. in order to have total control over the interface.
I think it will be possible to include skins in the future. Skin engine allows to download more skins and create own. I'll see and maybe this will be added in 4.9.

The new function to change settings without restarting sound is very good news, but I do not need to stop and in the future need to have a "virtual mixer" mode to control the microphone, the audio generally, the cart wall, etc. and select the option to monitor pre listen any desired output easily.
Well, any kind of virtual mixer is still not as good as a hardware mixer. Currently there are no plans on including a virtual mixer in RB...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on February 28, 2013, 01:40:41 PM
RadioBOSS binds sound cards by index. When you change the default sound card, indexes are changed.

It's possible to bind cards by Driver ID or something but I'm not sure... It's a rare case when people change default sound cards (but I could be wrong).
Yes, I personally do not change the default output, only a few exceptions I use winamp.
perhaps the most common case is when you insert a USB soundcard.
The Stand Alone version of Stereo Tool, I have seen that works for Driver ID, and I think this is much more stable.
for example in the preset program configuration is stored as follows:
Device ID = speakers (M-Audio Revolution 5
and it seems much more stable.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on February 28, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
RC skins are very good, is it possible to incorporate in RB 4.9 or 5?
It would also be good so that users can create skins generating images. in order to have total control over the interface.
I think it will be possible to include skins in the future. Skin engine allows to download more skins and create own. I'll see and maybe this will be added in 4.9.
Great, thanks!

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The new function to change settings without restarting sound is very good news, but I do not need to stop and in the future need to have a "virtual mixer" mode to control the microphone, the audio generally, the cart wall, etc. and select the option to monitor pre listen any desired output easily.
Well, any kind of virtual mixer is still not as good as a hardware mixer. Currently there are no plans on including a virtual mixer in RB...
Not argue that, the hardware mixer will always be better than a software solution, but would be useful for when doing outdoor streaming broadcasts, and not have a external mixer. is not critical, but I think that in the future would be nice to have this feature.

take the opportunity to ask if RB will be implemented as follows:
RB-Remote Access
player-assistant
- Album cover

Thanks
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on February 28, 2013, 10:23:48 PM
(1) I've tried programs like Sam Broadcaster, and the arrangement of windows is most complicated and messy.
(2) I personally like the interface radioboss, (but not skin) .
(3) I enclose two skins I found on google I liked.
Also this good about being able to hear the air by selecting headphones for example.
(1) Agree with you on Sam. Way too complicated and busy. Not a good choice to emulate.
(2) Skins are a good start, especially if nothing else is mooted at this stage. Choices of skins on RadioCaster are excellent. I would be happy to accept skins as a way of getting us to better graphics.
(3) I like that Livestream mixer skin...looks excellent. Excellent idea about the button for headphones too.
Don't like Harddata. Once again too messy and overdone visually.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on March 01, 2013, 04:35:15 AM
nelson c
Yes, USB sound cards become more and more popular. We'll change the way sound cards are initialized to use driver ID.

take the opportunity to ask if RB will be implemented as follows:
RB-Remote Access
player-assistant
- Album cover
Yes for 1 and 3. What do you mean by "player-assistant"? Probably it's been added too, but named differently :)

(2) Skins are a good start, especially if nothing else is mooted at this stage. Choices of skins on RadioCaster are excellent. I would be happy to accept skins as a way of getting us to better graphics.
OK, experimental skin support will be added in RB 4.9.

Excellent idea about the button for headphones too.
What headphones button should do, play the On-Air output to PFL?
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: nelson c on March 01, 2013, 12:20:36 PM
(1) I've tried programs like Sam Broadcaster, and the arrangement of windows is most complicated and messy.
(2) I personally like the interface radioboss, (but not skin) .
(3) I enclose two skins I found on google I liked.
Also this good about being able to hear the air by selecting headphones for example.
(1) Agree with you on Sam. Way too complicated and busy. Not a good choice to emulate.
(2) Skins are a good start, especially if nothing else is mooted at this stage. Choices of skins on RadioCaster are excellent. I would be happy to accept skins as a way of getting us to better graphics.
(3) I like that Livestream mixer skin...looks excellent. Excellent idea about the button for headphones too.
Don't like Harddata. Once again too messy and overdone visually.

To me, I can not think of a better way to optimize the interface, if the interface is through windows, will end up being a disaster like Sam.
I think the most important thing for now is to have several skins, I agree that RadioCaster like ADS Scheduler (even more variety), have very good skin I would like Esten in RadioBOSS.

nelson c
Yes, USB sound cards become more and more popular. We'll change the way sound cards are initialized to use driver ID.
If this will be the best option

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take the opportunity to ask if RB will be implemented as follows:
RB-Remote Access
player-assistant
- Album cover
Yes for 1 and 3. What do you mean by "player-assistant"? Probably it's been added too, but named differently :)
Sorry, I had a translation error, I meant if these things will be implemented in RadioBOSS 4.9.
For the second, I meant auxiliary player.
In this regard I have a suggestion, the player is annoying cueing him as a window that overlays the main window, maybe a good option would be to have it incorporated into the program interface, and using a button to select the output pre Preview or air outlet.
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(2) Skins are a good start, especially if nothing else is mooted at this stage. Choices of skins on RadioCaster are excellent. I would be happy to accept skins as a way of getting us to better graphics.
OK, experimental skin support will be added in RB 4.9.
This is great news!.
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Excellent idea about the button for headphones too.
What headphones button should do, play the On-Air output to PFL?

I think @DJSTU concerns the possibility to listen to the air outlet for headphones (is what I requested)

I'm looking forward to the release of RB 4.9 :D
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on March 02, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
What headphones button should do, play the On-Air output to PFL?
Without having the software and knowing the exact specifics of its operation, it most certainly will be a 2nd bus, which could more than likely be for PFL.

The quality of graphics of that mixer is first class. I am getting more keen on trying software like this out, particularly now touch screens are becoming more common.
We won't reach our optimum I don't think until we start to see a lot more availability of OLED type monitors.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on March 03, 2013, 01:47:38 AM
Without having the software and knowing the exact specifics of its operation, it most certainly will be a 2nd bus, which could more than likely be for PFL.
By PFL I mean the Pre-listen device. So you can pre-listen tracks, and listen to station output by pressing Headphone button.

The quality of graphics of that mixer is first class. I am getting more keen on trying software like this out, particularly now touch screens are becoming more common.
We won't reach our optimum I don't think until we start to see a lot more availability of OLED type monitors.
I agree, it looks really good. Of course, not everyone likes dark UI's, but it definitely should be added as an option :) I think we can achieve something like this in RB.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on March 03, 2013, 02:25:25 AM
nelson c
I'm not sure that AUX players will be added in RB 4.9 - this is planned, and will be added in one of the future versions.

Regarding popup player, maybe you're right... But currently I don't know a good place on the main window where it can be placed.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: DJSTU on March 05, 2013, 04:52:24 AM
By PFL I mean the Pre-listen device. So you can pre-listen tracks, and listen to station output by pressing Headphone button.
We are only seeing a part of the photo, plus not having knowledge of its operation. So its somewhat guessing based on experience.
PFL - Pre Fader Listen
would be its most likely use. BUT only for the fader it is on.
We can't see it in the photo, but I imagine there will also be headphone buttons for Monitor and Main Output too.....further to the right.
It appears to be emulating all the normal functions of an external mixing desk. Would work with multi-input and output soundcards and/or USB ones, whether they be singular or multi.
Would also need to work in a software situation only with say VAC as a choice too.
Probably other options too that could be used. For example Skype Input/Output.
Maybe others can chip in too with their suggestions, since its hard to keep up with all the new choices available these days.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on March 07, 2013, 03:57:07 AM
We'll add such a button in RB: listen what's on air on the prelisten device.
A new color scheme (a dark one) will be added as well as I see not everyone likes the current one...
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: Laffyette on March 18, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
Can you make it so I can schedule shows to play at a particular time daily without it playing the entire playlist. I have 20 shows set in a playlist to play everyday @ 8am but it started playing all the shows all day when all I wanted was 1 to play randomly @ 8am.
Title: Re: RadioBOSS 4.8 [beta]
Post by: djsoft on March 19, 2013, 01:29:48 AM
Can you make it so I can schedule shows to play at a particular time daily without it playing the entire playlist. I have 20 shows set in a playlist to play everyday @ 8am but it started playing all the shows all day when all I wanted was 1 to play randomly @ 8am.
Yes, it's possible. Create scheduler event, click Wizard button and select "Play one track from playlist/folder" and follow instructions.