PROBLEM WITH REPEATING SONGS OF THE SAME GENRE

[Radio Format .network]

I am a satisfied new user except for one problem that I cannot solve. Before writing this post I even waited for the new version but the problem continues.

To test RadioBOSS, before I changed my current software, I only divided the music archive into 2 categories.

Each category has no filters. In ‘select tracks’ I chose “random”, in ‘start position’ I entered 1 and ‘number of advances ....’ is not ticked. In settings I set: 30 minutes for ‘Do not repeat artist’ and 90 minutes for ‘Do not repeat track’. Finally "Use the Last Played tag" is ticked

I reset all "Playcount" and "Last played" and generated with Playlist Generator Pro"

PROBLEM: After a few days I verify in the music library that some tracks have been played 3 times while other tracks 0 times!

The previous operation was repeated several times and always with the same problem!

QUESTION: with RadioBOSS is it possible to make it so that before playing a track of the same genre again, all the tracks of the same musical genre are played first?

attached 7 screenshots with the current configurations

thank you
P.S. I apologise for my bad English

 

[djsoft]

After a few days I verify in the music library that some tracks have been played 3 times while other tracks 0 times!

The Playlist Generator selects track in random order (as you have configured) and ensures that the track passes all defined rules/filters/constrains as defined in the settings. It does not check how many times a track was played while selecting.

You can use the Priorities feature to make it select tracks that play less more often: https://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/plgen-cat3.htm

 

[Radio Format .network]

Thank you but you did not answer my question. Maybe my English is bad and I was not clear.

I don't want to use any priority and/or control which tracks play less often.

I would like to know if RadioBOSS, when no priority is set, has a configuration that allows it to play all tracks of the same genre first (randomly) and only after playing all of them, it will start playing (again randomly) a track that has already been played.
This way the result should be that, after resetting all ‘Playcount’ and ‘Last played’, after a few days I should find that each track has been played +/- once and not as now that some tracks have been played 3 times and some zero times

Thank You

 

[djsoft]

I would like to know if RadioBOSS, when no priority is set, has a configuration that allows it to play all tracks of the same genre first (randomly) and only after playing all of them, it will start playing (again randomly) a track that has already been played.

There's no such a feature. But you can get a very close result using priorities.

This way the result should be that, after resetting all ‘Playcount’ and ‘Last played’, after a few days I should find that each track has been played +/- once and not as now that some tracks have been played 3 times and some zero times

Over time this will become even. When there are 100+ runs, it'll be more or less equal.

 

[Radio Format .network]

There's no such a feature. But you can get a very close result using priorities.

Thank you for your answers.
If possible, I would like some help on how to configure the priorities to achieve the required result (before resonating a song of the same genre, play them all first) and which I have detailed in previous posts.

I take the liberty to ask because I have already tried using priorities but without success.

Thank you again

 

[djsoft]

If possible, I would like some help on how to configure the priorities to achieve the required result (before resonating a song of the same genre, play them all first) and which I have detailed in previous posts.

As mentioned above, it's not really possible to make it select all songs before selecting the same songs again. The best solution is to leave it as it is: over time the amount of times each track play will be more or less equal. If you want you can add priority rules based on playcount - increase priority for tracks that play less than average.

 

[Radio Format .network]

First, I thank you for your second response. I appreciate your professionalism.

I have let a few more days pass, as you advised “The best solution is to leave it as it is: over time the amount of times each track play will be more or less equal.” but also from the messages received from listeners complaining that they hear “the same songs over and over again”, I think you should address the problem: I give the example of a category with 327 tracks.
The maximum playcount difference is that 1 track was played 9 (nine) times and 1 track was played 0 (zero) times !!!

In addition to using RadioBOSS for a new radio station, we use other “radio automation software” to manage 11 other radio stations.
They all manage the music rotation in a way that we find much simpler by allowing 4 possible modes to be set for each row with the music genre entered in playlist:

1. played less recently
2. played less often (less Hits)
3. recently added
4. random

We use ‘played less recently’ to allow a track of the same genre to be played only after all other tracks of the same genre have been played first.
The only thing we do to have a different randomness, periodically (every 3/4 months), we reset the playcount of all tracks. In this way the order in which the tracks are played resets and a different randomness begins again, however, respecting any tracks that have been given priority.

Two questions:

1. do you think that a mode can be added in the next update that allows for categories to play a track only after all the others have been played first?
2. in the meantime and to follow your advice: where can I find directions for increasing the rotation of tracks that are played less than average by adding priority rules based on the number of plays?

Thanks again

 

[box26609]

do you think that a mode can be added in the next update that allows for categories to play a track only after all the others have been played first?

This would be super helpful. I also tend to hear the same songs playing in my teasers yet the source folder has hundreds of songs. I wonder if it's related.

 

[djsoft]

We use ‘played less recently’ to allow a track of the same genre to be played only after all other tracks of the same genre have been played first.

This is almost never possible if repeat protection rules are involved (it will have to skip the tracks to find a track that suits the rules). Also, once the order of the tracks is settled, it will repeat in same order on the next rotation, and you will have the problem, as you say

The only thing we do to have a different randomness, periodically (every 3/4 months), we reset the playcount of all tracks.

in the meantime and to follow your advice: where can I find directions for increasing the rotation of tracks that are played less than average by adding priority rules based on the number of plays?

This is done using the priority rules. Rules can be added both ways: increase priority for tracks with low playcount (less than average) and decrease priority for tracks that play more than average.

I give the example of a category with 327 tracks.

Actually this is very few tracks. That's why listeners feel that they listen the same songs over and over again.

 

[Radio Format .network]

This is almost never possible if repeat protection rules are involved (it will have to skip the tracks to find a track that suits the rules). Also, once the order of the tracks is settled, it will repeat in same order on the next rotation, and you will have the problem, as you say

You used the conditional ‘if repetition protection rules are involved’ well.
But if one sets ‘played less recently’ it means that genre has no rules and wants to play the tracks of that genre fairly

This is done using the priority rules. Rules can be added both ways: increase priority for tracks with low playcount (less than average) and decrease priority for tracks that play more than average.

This can be done by a radio station that has a music programmer who then has the time to monitor and correct the playlist every day.
A webradio using RadioBOSS can at most undertake to reset the playcount every so often.

Actually this is very few tracks. That's why listeners feel that they listen the same songs over and over again.

it is true that there are actually very few tracks, but only for one of the genres I gave the example of and which are on the playlist !!!
Listeners do not have the feeling but really listen to the same songs all the time because, as I wrote in the previous message, in the same genre there are tracks that have been played up to 9 (nine) times and others 0 (zero) times.

Dear djsoft, I have given this in a constructive and committed spirit (because I do not speak English and so explaining was also difficult for me), as I consider this to be a great limitation for a music radio station using RadioBOSS.

However, I note that this is not a problem for you and will not be solved in the next updates.

Thank you anyway for the discussion and for your time

 

[djsoft]

You used the conditional ‘if repetition protection rules are involved’ well.
But if one sets ‘played less recently’ it means that genre has no rules and wants to play the tracks of that genre fairly

The Playlist Generator always "expects" rules and filters to be enabled. Also sorting by "played less recently" = the same order each time (this problem you know about). It is a very specific case to play all tracks, in most cases radios are obliged to not repeat artists and titles.

in the same genre there are tracks that have been played up to 9 (nine) times and others 0 (zero) times.

This is without any priority rules. I suggest defining them, at first you can do with high values e.g. +40 priority for tracks played less then average, and -40 for tracks that play more than average. You will see the difference.